FBI Document: [DELETED] had "plan to kill local Occupy leaders via sniper fire" • Hacker News Board

Re: FBI Document: [DELETED] had "plan to kill local Occupy leaders via sniper fire"

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Post by dTal » Thu, Jul 04, 2013, 7:07 AM UTC

saraid216 wrote: post #36

reala wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The documents don't say that the FBI was planning this. They say a third party was. The FBI redacted who that third party was. I'm wondering why there haven't beeny any arrests yet.

> I'm wondering why there haven't beeny any arrests yet. Because making such a plan is protected by the First Amendment. Carrying it out is not.

That's a nice theory, but there's a news article every fortnight these days about someone getting chucked in the slammer for a casual, jokey remark on twitter being interpreted as a "terrorist threat".

Re: FBI Document: [DELETED] had "plan to kill local Occupy leaders via sniper fire"

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Post by saraid216 » Thu, Jul 04, 2013, 7:07 AM UTC

angersock wrote: post #37

saraid216 wrote: post #33

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I didn't see a listing of Occupiers shot in the head. Could you link me to that, please?

Occupy Oakland, as memory serves. A vet no less.

Ah, yes. Scott Olsen. Thank you.

Re: FBI Document: [DELETED] had "plan to kill local Occupy leaders via sniper fire"

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Post by tzs » Thu, Jul 04, 2013, 7:08 AM UTC

This was widely discussed in December 2012 when it was actually news.

Googling shows it is suddenly back, often with errors (e.g., InfoWars reports it as the FBI had a plan to kill OWS people).

Re: FBI Document: [DELETED] had "plan to kill local Occupy leaders via sniper fire"

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Post by fusiongyro » Thu, Jul 04, 2013, 7:11 AM UTC

cjambassador318 wrote: post #39

angersock wrote: post #19

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Now, now, let's be constructive. Party politics is how they keep the people too divided to change things.

> the people the sheeple

Please knock it off. This isn't the right forum for undirected political raving.

Re: FBI Document: [DELETED] had "plan to kill local Occupy leaders via sniper fire"

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Post by untog » Thu, Jul 04, 2013, 7:17 AM UTC

cjambassador318 wrote: post #25

gasull wrote: post #12

I've done some research before upvoting this. I thought whowhatwhy.com would be some kind of conspiracy site, but they just do investigative journalism. They are usually featured in Salon.com. http://www.salon.com/topic/whowhatwhy/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russ_Baker Also, it's known that the FBI coordinated the crackdown on Occupy: http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/dec/29/fbi-coor...

Well that definitely justifies upvoting a speculative conspiracy theory to the front page of Hacker News. Given that the US is literally Nazi Germany, it's 100% believable that the FBI would murder protesters. I wish the sheeple could see the US for what it really is: literally Nazi Germany. People like us here on HN and reddit understand what's really going on, unlike the sheeple.

I'm assuming that the people downvoting this need a "woosh". At least, I hope so.

Re: FBI Document: [DELETED] had "plan to kill local Occupy leaders via sniper fire"

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Post by ScottBurson » Thu, Jul 04, 2013, 7:18 AM UTC

saraid216 wrote: post #36

reala wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The documents don't say that the FBI was planning this. They say a third party was. The FBI redacted who that third party was. I'm wondering why there haven't beeny any arrests yet.

> I'm wondering why there haven't beeny any arrests yet. Because making such a plan is protected by the First Amendment. Carrying it out is not.

No. Conspiring to commit murder is definitely not protected by the First Amendment. And even fantasizing openly, which should be protected as long as no attempt is made to act on the fantasy, has tended to get people locked up in recent years.

Re: FBI Document: [DELETED] had "plan to kill local Occupy leaders via sniper fire"

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Post by saraid216 » Thu, Jul 04, 2013, 7:19 AM UTC

dTal wrote: post #41

saraid216 wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I'm wondering why there haven't beeny any arrests yet. Because making such a plan is protected by the First Amendment. Carrying it out is not.

That's a nice theory, but there's a news article every fortnight these days about someone getting chucked in the slammer for a casual, jokey remark on twitter being interpreted as a "terrorist threat".

Are you trying to say that it isn't protected by the First Amendment, or that law enforcement is selective?

Do remember that a police officer who threatened to kill the First Lady still has his job.

Re: FBI Document: [DELETED] had "plan to kill local Occupy leaders via sniper fire"

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Post by Gigablah » Thu, Jul 04, 2013, 7:19 AM UTC

saraid216 wrote: post #36

reala wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The documents don't say that the FBI was planning this. They say a third party was. The FBI redacted who that third party was. I'm wondering why there haven't beeny any arrests yet.

> I'm wondering why there haven't beeny any arrests yet. Because making such a plan is protected by the First Amendment. Carrying it out is not.

Yeah, tell that to Justin Carter.

Re: FBI Document: [DELETED] had "plan to kill local Occupy leaders via sniper fire"

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Post by [deleted] » Thu, Jul 04, 2013, 7:20 AM UTC

brymaster wrote: post #28

gasull wrote: post #12

I've done some research before upvoting this. I thought whowhatwhy.com would be some kind of conspiracy site, but they just do investigative journalism. They are usually featured in Salon.com. http://www.salon.com/topic/whowhatwhy/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russ_Baker Also, it's known that the FBI coordinated the crackdown on Occupy: http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/dec/29/fbi-coor...

But how can this be true?! tptacek just told us [1]: > nobody is going to shoot you and your friends in the head for marching around and > They won't even point firehoses at you, or sic dogs on you. You are freer than Americans have been at virtually any other point in our country's history [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5987208

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Re: FBI Document: [DELETED] had "plan to kill local Occupy leaders via sniper fire"

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Post by saraid216 » Thu, Jul 04, 2013, 7:21 AM UTC

ScottBurson wrote: post #46

saraid216 wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I'm wondering why there haven't beeny any arrests yet. Because making such a plan is protected by the First Amendment. Carrying it out is not.

No. Conspiring to commit murder is definitely not protected by the First Amendment. And even fantasizing openly, which should be protected as long as no attempt is made to act on the fantasy, has tended to get people locked up in recent years.

> Conspiring to commit murder is definitely not protected by the First Amendment.

A charge of conspiracy requires at least two conspirants and an overt act.

http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1117