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Re: Bart employee salaries CSV

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Post by mililani »

WildUtah wrote: post #20

Wow. Lesson number one from this list is that if you want to make a boatload working for the government, be a cop. Aside from top administrators, the top ranks of the list are dominated by regular transit cops. Usually the very, very generous retirement benefits drive high police compensation. Well paid overtime helps, too.

In San Francisco, SFPD can retire with 30% of their average 3 year salary after just 10 years on the job AND 55 years of age. Usually, this is around 100k for a 10 year veteran of the force. So, if one starts at SFPD at age 45, one can retire with about $33k per year at 55. There is also a COLA adjustment per year. Average life span for a male is around 76 years. The pension benefit ALONE is worth about $700k not including the COLA adjustment.

People wonder why this state and municipalities are SCREWED, and they wonder why several cities have filed bankruptcy or have skirted bankruptcy. This is PART, a BIG PART, of the reason.

Re: Bart employee salaries CSV

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Post by zobzu »

stephanerangaya wrote: post #3

It'd have been nice to anonymize this data. I know it's publicly available but we should respect people's privacy. I don't think having people's name adds anything interesting to this data set.

This is actually public and non-private on purpose.

If you hide a document and show the other one publicly it doesn't protects anyone privacy... wtf is this logic?

Re: Bart employee salaries CSV

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Post by nknighthb »

tome wrote: post #38
nknighthb wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I support public employees, public employee unions, and the right of those employees/unions to strike. I also do not believe most of these salaries and other compensation are outrageous. But I also support complete transparency in government. Ultimately, we are their employer, and we have a right to know how much we're paying them. I know this will sometimes have negative consequences for the employees, but this is a…

> Ultimately, we are their employer, and we have a right to know how much we're paying them. Although I support the general sentiment I don't think this is clear cut. Should shareholders have the right to know the salaries of the employees at the companies they invest in?

This sort of thing is actually one of the reasons the public stock markets bother me. I do, in fact, believe that someone who has an ownership interest in a corporation should be privy to such information (and much more).

That said, it's up to the shareholders of a company whether they will force the company to release the information, and I can't blame them for choosing not to widely disseminate information that could be useful to competitors. I can blame them for being shareholders in companies with such fractured ownership, but I must blame myself, as well, for I also own stock in such companies.

In this case, however, there is no direct competition, and the "shareholders" of the public sector have wisely decided that they shall have access to this information.

Re: Bart employee salaries CSV

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Post by flyinRyan »

WildUtah wrote: post #20

Wow. Lesson number one from this list is that if you want to make a boatload working for the government, be a cop. Aside from top administrators, the top ranks of the list are dominated by regular transit cops. Usually the very, very generous retirement benefits drive high police compensation. Well paid overtime helps, too.

And the ability to actually kill someone you don't like and not go to jail (though you could lose your job) is quite a perk as well.

Re: Bart employee salaries CSV

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Post by flyinRyan »

spikels wrote: post #27
josh2600 wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You have the choice to vote. The union voted to strike. Not everyone voted for it, but enough did to initiate the strike. It's usually a fairly unanimous thing. Source: once upon a time, long, long ago, I was on the executive board of a union that may or may not have voted to strike.

The percentage of members of the two BART unions that voted for the strike is also public. It was not close. SEIU 98.5% ATU 99.9% http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/BART-workers-vote-to-a...

Sounds like they have legit grievances then.

Re: Bart employee salaries CSV

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Post by flyinRyan »

icelancer wrote: post #30
josh2600 wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You have the choice to vote. The union voted to strike. Not everyone voted for it, but enough did to initiate the strike. It's usually a fairly unanimous thing. Source: once upon a time, long, long ago, I was on the executive board of a union that may or may not have voted to strike.

But if the vote to strike is going to pass easily, then surely you don't want to be an outcast and vote against it, right? Retaliatory actions from your fellow union members has to be common.

Not nearly as common as retaliation from companies to unions. Ask Florida Daisy employees.

Re: Bart employee salaries CSV

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Post by netcan »

readme wrote: post #14
spamizbad wrote: post #12

Wow, some of these public servants make as much money as a 19 year old college dropout in Silicon Valley.

Did you mean the high end, or the low end? A college dropout can make a killing in Silicon Valley, if they are also: a talented software developer. OTOH, some of the other dropouts might end up working as BART train operators, who seem to make between 12 and 15k/yr, which is likely for full time, in a city where it costs about 1/4 of that just to scrape by on a monthly basis. It is not right to employ people at a wag…

Did you look at these numbers? Where do you think minimum wage applies here?

Re: Bart employee salaries CSV

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Post by cmina »

mariusz331 wrote: post #24
flexie wrote: post #16

This is just mean. Why don't you put your own name and salary up there for us to see, mariusz331? Whether your employer is the government or a private entity and whether or not you participate in a strike you don't deserve to have your financial data exposed.

well, it's available here too: http://www.mercurynews.com/salaries/bay-area?Entity=Bay%20Ar... i just want someone to make some cool graphs with it

Not exactly a cool graph but it shows the distribution of those salaries. http://i.imgur.com/ljZtghU.jpg Check the right tail, that's where "all the money are", literally speaking!

Re: Bart employee salaries CSV

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Post by derleth »

casiotone wrote: post #39
derleth wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unions are corporations, too. If unions protect workers from management, who protects workers from unions?

This is fucking absurd. Unions are unions OF WORKERS. A unions political power comes from the combined power of its members, who are citizens of the state and can thus be considered an accurate reflection of the citizens wishes . A corporation's political power comes from the top, and does not reflect anyone's wishes but the CEO.

> Unions are unions OF WORKERS.

But there's still someone in charge. Who polices them?

> A unions political power comes from the combined power of its members, who are citizens of the state and can thus be considered an accurate reflection of the citizens wishes.

By this argument, we don't need anyone watching the government because it is elected by the people and so represents the will of the people.

Re: Bart employee salaries CSV

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Post by derleth »

spikels wrote: post #27
josh2600 wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You have the choice to vote. The union voted to strike. Not everyone voted for it, but enough did to initiate the strike. It's usually a fairly unanimous thing. Source: once upon a time, long, long ago, I was on the executive board of a union that may or may not have voted to strike.

The percentage of members of the two BART unions that voted for the strike is also public. It was not close. SEIU 98.5% ATU 99.9% http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/BART-workers-vote-to-a...

> The percentage of members of the two BART unions that voted for the strike is also public. It was not close.

Those numbers (upwards of 90%) look like the numbers won by dictators in rigged elections. Who monitors the union voting process?

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