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John Gruber and friends launch Vesper note capture app

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Re: John Gruber and friends launch Vesper note capture app

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Or, it's the other way around, and the pricing philosophy he's had all along influenced his decision on how to price this: http://daringfireball.net/2006/11/pinprick (Where by "or" I mean "no").

I'm saying it's not a coincidence he linked to that two month old article the day before he released a $5 app. Prime the pump, in a sense.

In that sense, he's been priming the pump since 2008.

http://daringfireball.net/linked/2008/11/16/finnell-app-stor...

Re: John Gruber and friends launch Vesper note capture app

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It appears to me by purchasing this app, you are trading the features of existing products for a slick design. I'm particularly impressed with how they have spun the lack of features as a feature ("simple and elegant", "imposes no system") For me, inability to coexist with Notational Velocity is a dealbreaker.

Lack of features is a feature for some people. I really prefer when products start with a limited, polished set of features.

Re: John Gruber and friends launch Vesper note capture app

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wouldn't an app like this be doable in a weekend? Paul Graham, I know you can hear me, and I know this is possible because I know a thing or two about the Javascripts, and so I'm telling you now: the site's banner should strobe clown colors for 5 minutes every time news.arc sees this string.

That is pretty unfair to pg and people that don't like clown colors. A browser extension version should only take a couple hours.

That's true. At the very least a browser extension would be doable in a weekend.

Re: John Gruber and friends launch Vesper note capture app

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It looks nice. I will give it that, but $5 bucks seems a little much for a notes app that can't sync across platforms as far as I can tell... not even iCloud. Evernote, Springpad, Simplenote, and even Google Keep for iOS (when it is finally release) have syncing from the get go.

It seems to be very similar to Day One, which also costs $5 and is quite popular

Day One looks really exciting, but the reviews are really up in arms about a lack of encryption. Does anyone know more about this supposed issue?

Re: John Gruber and friends launch Vesper note capture app

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Features: I'm all for simplicity, in the right circumstances. I use Clear from Realmac Software because when I'm creating to-do lists, speed is the most important thing to me. However, when I'm writing notes, accessibility is probably the most important thing for me and that means sync, I'd also bet this is the case for many people, hence the popularity of things like Evernote and Google Keep. The absence of sync from Vesper seems like a massive oversight, and makes me wonder if it's on the cards for a future version, or perhaps for a working iCloud? In addition to sync, I would have thought it would have Markdown support, even if it was transparent to the user in some way and

Price: The price doesn't hugely concern me here. If I find an app truly useful, then $5 is a small price to pay, and I support developers making a bit of a stand on this and charging premium prices for premium products. The feature set isn't one that interests me because of the lack of sync, so whether it was $5 or $1 wouldn't really make a difference for me.

Design: 'flat design' is nice when done well, but detracts from usability when done badly in my opinion. If you have a non-flat design, unless it's hugely over-the-top, I don't think it detracts from the usability. (sidenote, what's the correct terminology for the opposite of 'flat design'? It's certainly not skeumorphic) Lots of Microsoft's 'metro' styling does flat design well, using varying font sizes and typographic and visual hints to provide context to controls, whereas Visual Studio has gone too far and removed far to many visual cues which results in a less usable interface in my experience.

I feel that Vesper goes to far. As there is so little to the app it's hard to justify it being 'less usable', but I do think the interface to be a long way from correctly executed flat design. I think other apps and designs are far closer to how flat design should be.

Another interesting thing to note is the animation on transitioning to a new note. Federico Vittici made a GIF of it (http://bit.ly/15EEKkP) for his review (http://bit.ly/11Hkz16). Federico points out that it makes the interface feel a lot faster to the user, but I don't think it's the right thing to do. Firstly, as I said above, I don't think speed should be a priority for things like this, after all, the amount of time for a 0.5s transition is minuscule to the amount of time spent composing the note. But also it breaks the well known metaphor of the UI stack in iOS. The back button still indicates that it will move to the screen on the left, however the screen hasn't really moved in the user's mind. It's not a crucial point, but it's one of those 'papercuts' (http://askubuntu.com/questions/1006/what-is-a-paper-cut) that I would expect a team such as the one behind this app to have addressed.

I wrote more than I planned to, so I might turn this into a blog post. Would be interested to know peoples thoughts on it first though.

Re: John Gruber and friends launch Vesper note capture app

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I'm not sure I'm understanding the point of this tool. It looks trendy, but it takes notes. No syncing. I mean, this is the guy that wrote NetNewsWire. Wouldn't an app like this be doable in a weekend? I honestly want to find something new that the app does that is supposed to change my workflow, but there is just nothing. A cynical part of me feels like this exists (especially with the $5 price tag) just to ride the…

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Re: John Gruber and friends launch Vesper note capture app

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Features: I'm all for simplicity, in the right circumstances. I use Clear from Realmac Software because when I'm creating to-do lists, speed is the most important thing to me. However, when I'm writing notes, accessibility is probably the most important thing for me and that means sync, I'd also bet this is the case for many people, hence the popularity of things like Evernote and Google Keep. The absence of sync fro…

    "...sidenote, what's the correct terminology for the opposite
     of 'flat design'? It's certainly not skeumorphic..."
Well, we're talking about GUI design, and beveled buttons/menus etc. have pretty much been the norm for the GUI's entire history. So how about just using "traditional"?
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