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Re: Topcoat – CSS for clean and fast web apps

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Post by ricardobeat »

akurilin wrote: post #32
JangoSteve wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think this is exactly what Skeleton tries to be. http://www.getskeleton.com/ I will say though that Foundation is much easier to customize styles for than Bootstrap, which is one of the primary reasons we now use Bootstrap for internal apps or side projects which we don't intend to implement a custom design, but Foundation for all sites which we plan on designing.

One thing to keep in mind is that Skeleton has not seen a single commit in the past year, so it's not clear if the framework is going to be supported long-term. It's probably better as a blueprint for one's own homebrew minimalistic CSS framework.

It doesn't need to change until flexbox is well supported. I've just used skeleton in a project without any problems.

Re: Topcoat – CSS for clean and fast web apps

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Post by ricardobeat »

Fauntleroy wrote: post #3

This looks like a great start, but there are some missing parts and serious issues with the typography. In many places the text size is just too small, while the typeface they're using here is too light for display. The link text under Michael Peterson is a good example of the problem: http://topcoat.io/topcoat/doc/mobile.html#m-well

Agreed. The text in the desktop version is so tiny it makes it unusable. I'd consider using the 'mobile' version for the desktop too.

Re: Topcoat – CSS for clean and fast web apps

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Post by eyevinx »

akurilin wrote: post #32
JangoSteve wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think this is exactly what Skeleton tries to be. http://www.getskeleton.com/ I will say though that Foundation is much easier to customize styles for than Bootstrap, which is one of the primary reasons we now use Bootstrap for internal apps or side projects which we don't intend to implement a custom design, but Foundation for all sites which we plan on designing.

One thing to keep in mind is that Skeleton has not seen a single commit in the past year, so it's not clear if the framework is going to be supported long-term. It's probably better as a blueprint for one's own homebrew minimalistic CSS framework.

https://github.com/dmur/Skeleton appears to be a more active fork.

Re: Topcoat – CSS for clean and fast web apps

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Post by nobodysfool »

akurilin wrote: post #32
JangoSteve wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think this is exactly what Skeleton tries to be. http://www.getskeleton.com/ I will say though that Foundation is much easier to customize styles for than Bootstrap, which is one of the primary reasons we now use Bootstrap for internal apps or side projects which we don't intend to implement a custom design, but Foundation for all sites which we plan on designing.

One thing to keep in mind is that Skeleton has not seen a single commit in the past year, so it's not clear if the framework is going to be supported long-term. It's probably better as a blueprint for one's own homebrew minimalistic CSS framework.

So a framework needs to update every 6 months just because that would make you feel better about it?

Also, your statement is factually incorrect. There was a single commit in the past year. If you had said that next month, you might have been correct.

The author is on twitter...

Re: Topcoat – CSS for clean and fast web apps

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Post by funthree »

yareally wrote: post #36
toomuchtodo wrote: post #31

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Check out the contribution license for a chuckle: http://topcoat.io/dev/topcoat-cla.html

Although Adobe is a commercial entity, that seems like pretty standard boilerplate (at least parts about making sure you're the sole owner and such). When I wanted to contribute to the android cyanogenmod project, they had a similar agreement online.

It's made with bootstrap css

Re: Topcoat – CSS for clean and fast web apps

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Post by marknutter »

JangoSteve wrote: post #28
marknutter wrote: post #24

I would personally like to see a CSS framework that has absolutely zero opinions about design. Meaning, radio buttons are actually the standard html5 radio buttons, but perhaps with titles handled in a unified way that works across all browsers. Form elements are given proper layout CSS that solves a lot of common issues across all browsers but no additional styling is added. Etc. I don't want my site to look like ye…

I think this is exactly what Skeleton tries to be. http://www.getskeleton.com/ I will say though that Foundation is much easier to customize styles for than Bootstrap, which is one of the primary reasons we now use Bootstrap for internal apps or side projects which we don't intend to implement a custom design, but Foundation for all sites which we plan on designing.

I'm using Foundation on a project as well and I still find it a big pain to override the styles. I end up writing more CSS to override styles I don't want than I would if I just wrote everything from scratch.

Re: Topcoat – CSS for clean and fast web apps

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Post by mindcrime »

toomuchtodo wrote: post #31
patrickaljord wrote: post #30

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> and your website isn't providing me any reason why as well. Looks like it's an Adobe project.

Check out the contribution license for a chuckle: http://topcoat.io/dev/topcoat-cla.html

Why a chuckle? I like that they at least let you fill out the CLA online. The ASF still requires contributors to fax in a paper form (or they did last time I checked, which was when I did mine, which was, now that I think about it, some time ago, so maybe this long rambling comment is actually pointless after all...)

Anyway, the point is, having an online form to submit a CLA seems like a positive step to me, if you're going to require CLAs at all. And a CLA that simply grants a perpetual, worldwide, irrevockable license to the content, as opposed to asking for a transfer of copyright ownership, doesn't seem to onerous to me. And for an Open Source project with commercial backing it is pretty commonplace.

That said, we are an Open Source startup, and we don't (currently) plan to ask for a CLA from outside contributors, but just something basically saying "I license my contribution under the Apache License v2".

Re: Topcoat – CSS for clean and fast web apps

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Post by joshuacc »

cuttooth wrote: post #39
coderzach wrote: post #37

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Amicus engineer here. It's actually built on top of Backbone, in a similar vein as Airbnb's rendr. It allows our front-end to be pre-rendered on the server, and sent to the client as static html, as well as some other cool stuff. > Are the existing libs so bad everyone has to reinvent the wheel constantly? To actually answer your question: yes. Existing libs for building large scale apps are in a transition period fr…

Yeah, it makes a lot of sense to never have any sort of stable, widely-accepted solution built over a long period of time. Let's just keep having a new artisanal web framework of the week. Web developers are an utter fucking embarrassment and shit like this is exactly why.

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