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NY official: Airbnb stay illegal; host fined $2,400

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Re: NY official: Airbnb stay illegal; host fined $2,400

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Please do explain. I think the sharing economy is brilliant and the way of the future. If there's spare capacity in the world, why should it not be utilized. Unsafe? Is it more unsafe to a degree that the ends don't justify the means? I doubt it.

Perhaps sharing tools, yes. Sharing cars, MAYBE. But sharing living spaces and housing, no. Housing is one of the most intimate services out there services out there. I have standards, I have rights, and I want to feel safe and secure where I live. I am a New Yorker and I don't want to feel like I'm living like a poor person with a hotel next door. EDIT: The very definition of a hotel - An establishment providing acc…

I think that's likely fear talking.

Re: NY official: Airbnb stay illegal; host fined $2,400

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This is a win for New Yorkers. The whole sharing economy thing is unsafe, ridiculous, and kind of pathetic.

God forbid we more efficiently allocate resources in a dynamic way. If done safely and ethically, its a fabulous with for consumers.

How do you define 'efficient'? Is pushing out people who want to live in the city in order to fit more visitors an efficient use of resources? I would argue that it is not.

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I think we shall see more and more of this, airbnb, kickstarter and many other "social clearing houses" are essentially delivering services that investment regulation and consumer protection legislation has been developed explictly to prevent Its not that this specific NYC law exists and been upheld, its that there is a whole class of such laws across the West. People will bump into these a lot more.

That doesn't mean those laws shouldn't be challenged. Often they were put in place under different circumstances.

Re: NY official: Airbnb stay illegal; host fined $2,400

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God forbid we more efficiently allocate resources in a dynamic way. If done safely and ethically, its a fabulous with for consumers.

At the end of the day, it's a hotel. I don't want to live next to someone from somewhere else who isn't here to be my neighbor. What about my rights?

What exactly do you feel your rights to be in this situation?

What do you feel grants you the rights you feel you have in this situation?

Re: NY official: Airbnb stay illegal; host fined $2,400

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Please do explain. I think the sharing economy is brilliant and the way of the future. If there's spare capacity in the world, why should it not be utilized. Unsafe? Is it more unsafe to a degree that the ends don't justify the means? I doubt it.

Perhaps sharing tools, yes. Sharing cars, MAYBE. But sharing living spaces and housing, no. Housing is one of the most intimate services out there services out there. I have standards, I have rights, and I want to feel safe and secure where I live. I am a New Yorker and I don't want to feel like I'm living like a poor person with a hotel next door. EDIT: The very definition of a hotel - An establishment providing acc…

What's wrong with a hotel next door? People have to sleep somewhere...

...and for that matter, is feeling like you're living like a poor person a problem? O.o

Re: NY official: Airbnb stay illegal; host fined $2,400

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I'm conceptually in favor of airbnb and its peers. However, in NYC there's definitely an odd dynamic right now - renters are the main proponents of the service, because they can turn around and re-rent their apartments and recoup some of their housing costs (I know some people who are turning a net profit), but I'm pretty sure this is short-sighted. NYC is underserved by hotel rooms (maybe for zoning reasons?), so hotel space trades at a premium to residential space. If apartments become eligible to earn income as "hotel rooms", it's landlords, not renters, that will ultimately benefit - the rental market will reset at a higher rate and we'll all be forced to rent out our apartments when we're not around to make up the difference. I see this already in the form of friends renting larger apartments or paying higher rents because they expect to benefit from airbnb income; that behavior has to be driving up rents. Half my building (literally) is for rent on airbnb, as well as a third of the building next door.

This may be 'net beneficial' economically but I'm pretty sure most of the benefit will ultimately accrue to property owners, not renters.

And of course, although owners may come down hard for liability reasons if they find out about airbnb operations in their buildings, they have every incentive to turn a blind eye: if they can plausibly claim they didn't know and blame the tenant, surely their liability is at least somewhat reduced and in the meanwhile they benefit from rising rental income.

Re: NY official: Airbnb stay illegal; host fined $2,400

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post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Please do explain. I think the sharing economy is brilliant and the way of the future. If there's spare capacity in the world, why should it not be utilized. Unsafe? Is it more unsafe to a degree that the ends don't justify the means? I doubt it.

Perhaps sharing tools, yes. Sharing cars, MAYBE. But sharing living spaces and housing, no. Housing is one of the most intimate services out there services out there. I have standards, I have rights, and I want to feel safe and secure where I live. I am a New Yorker and I don't want to feel like I'm living like a poor person with a hotel next door. EDIT: The very definition of a hotel - An establishment providing acc…

Why does having a "hotel" next door make you feel like a poor person?

Re: NY official: Airbnb stay illegal; host fined $2,400

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post #38
post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Please do explain. I think the sharing economy is brilliant and the way of the future. If there's spare capacity in the world, why should it not be utilized. Unsafe? Is it more unsafe to a degree that the ends don't justify the means? I doubt it.

Perhaps sharing tools, yes. Sharing cars, MAYBE. But sharing living spaces and housing, no. Housing is one of the most intimate services out there services out there. I have standards, I have rights, and I want to feel safe and secure where I live. I am a New Yorker and I don't want to feel like I'm living like a poor person with a hotel next door. EDIT: The very definition of a hotel - An establishment providing acc…

> is feeling like you're living like a poor person a problem? O.o

It is when you're paying NY rents.

Re: NY official: Airbnb stay illegal; host fined $2,400

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This is a win for New Yorkers. The whole sharing economy thing is unsafe, ridiculous, and kind of pathetic.

> The whole sharing economy thing is unsafe, ridiculous, and kind of pathetic. How do New Yorkers win by having less choice?

They don't have less choice, they might even have more choice because flat which has been used as hotels could become flats again.

Re: NY official: Airbnb stay illegal; host fined $2,400

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Illegal hotels are actually a legit problem in NYC. I'd have to dig up the article but I've read about shady landlords evicting residents and turning entire apartment buildings into Airbnb hotels. Its big business, my friend pays his entire rent with Airbnb. Real estate is at an extreme premium and hotel space is scarce. There are a lot of scammers and shady people in this city so its only natural that Airbnb will be…

Do you have more info on the con job? It'd be good to know some things to look out for when using AirBnB.
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