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The new Google Hangouts will not support XMPP

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Re: The new Google Hangouts will not support XMPP

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Post by yanw »

dwdbah wrote: post #35
yanw wrote: post #25

Serious question: how practical is it to build something like Hangouts that is meant to compete with iMessage, WhatsApp, Viber etc on top of XMPP? is it even possible?

Sure. Much of the Google Talk video stuff was all designed for XMPP; they actively took part in the standardization at times. WhatsApp is XMPP, fundamentally, in any case.

Why is it not utilized more widely then? foregoing for a minute that everyone is cultivating their own gardens - what are the weaknesses of XMPP that would make it so easily avoidable for most of these apps?

Re: The new Google Hangouts will not support XMPP

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Post by ChikkaChiChi »

dwdbah wrote: post #35
yanw wrote: post #25

Serious question: how practical is it to build something like Hangouts that is meant to compete with iMessage, WhatsApp, Viber etc on top of XMPP? is it even possible?

Sure. Much of the Google Talk video stuff was all designed for XMPP; they actively took part in the standardization at times. WhatsApp is XMPP, fundamentally, in any case.

Except there is no way to interface with it on the desktop level.

Re: The new Google Hangouts will not support XMPP

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Post by makomk »

sp332 wrote: post #11
recoiledsnake wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's rich when just today Google sent a C&D to Microsoft to take down the Youtube Windows Phone 8 app and refuse to make one themselves. "Google demands Microsoft removes YouTube Windows Phone app, cites lack of ads " https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5714520 That was after they started serving a degraded experience to Windows Phone on Google Maps, and restored access after people complained and called their blu…

That app shows Youtube videos without ads. That seems like a clear violation of Youtube's TOS and I don't blame Google for being upset about it. Edit: I woulnd't flag the story though.

Apparently it also has a button to download videos from YouTube. Google's been C&Ding anyone that does that for years.

Re: The new Google Hangouts will not support XMPP

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Post by [deleted] »

sp332 wrote: post #11
recoiledsnake wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's rich when just today Google sent a C&D to Microsoft to take down the Youtube Windows Phone 8 app and refuse to make one themselves. "Google demands Microsoft removes YouTube Windows Phone app, cites lack of ads " https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5714520 That was after they started serving a degraded experience to Windows Phone on Google Maps, and restored access after people complained and called their blu…

That app shows Youtube videos without ads. That seems like a clear violation of Youtube's TOS and I don't blame Google for being upset about it. Edit: I woulnd't flag the story though.

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Re: The new Google Hangouts will not support XMPP

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Post by zobzu »

yanw wrote: post #4
mtgx wrote: post #3

Larry Page seemed very upset [1] that Microsoft is basically leeching off their Gtalk contacts into Outlook, without returning the favor (with Skype I assume), and he said he'd prefer if things weren't like this and everyone was more open. He didn't continue that idea, but I think he would've continued it with "...but since nobody wants to do that, then we won't do it anymore either". So they are probably responding…

Gtalk will still be available though. "... which users may choose to use instead of Google Talk."

Until it gets killed, in 2 years from now. Or less.

Re: The new Google Hangouts will not support XMPP

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Post by notatoad »

yanw wrote: post #4
mtgx wrote: post #3

Larry Page seemed very upset [1] that Microsoft is basically leeching off their Gtalk contacts into Outlook, without returning the favor (with Skype I assume), and he said he'd prefer if things weren't like this and everyone was more open. He didn't continue that idea, but I think he would've continued it with "...but since nobody wants to do that, then we won't do it anymore either". So they are probably responding…

Gtalk will still be available though. "... which users may choose to use instead of Google Talk."

don't expect that to last too long. the google talk android app updates to become hangouts, and the chrome extension became hangouts automatically today.

Re: The new Google Hangouts will not support XMPP

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Post by WayneDB »

sp332 wrote: post #11
recoiledsnake wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's rich when just today Google sent a C&D to Microsoft to take down the Youtube Windows Phone 8 app and refuse to make one themselves. "Google demands Microsoft removes YouTube Windows Phone app, cites lack of ads " https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5714520 That was after they started serving a degraded experience to Windows Phone on Google Maps, and restored access after people complained and called their blu…

That app shows Youtube videos without ads. That seems like a clear violation of Youtube's TOS and I don't blame Google for being upset about it. Edit: I woulnd't flag the story though.

I wonder how Google would react if the websites that fuel it's search database started having TOS terms for search engines like "In your search results, you must also display the advertisements on the pages that you scrape".

A few sites doing that wouldn't have any effect. Google would probably just remove them. How many websites it would take for Google to actually pay attention though? 20%? 30%? 50%?

Re: The new Google Hangouts will not support XMPP

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Post by makomk »

I think that, at this point, the only Google service that still supports standard, interoperable APIs anymore is Gmail. All the other ones have been discontinued or are in the process of being discontinued. I wonder how long it'll be before Gmail gets closed off.

Re: The new Google Hangouts will not support XMPP

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Post by gwillen »

Something interesting is going on here. If you log in to Plus, you can use New Hangouts _right now_. And they _do_ interoperate with XMPP users _right now_ -- I just tried it.

So does this mean the rollout is not complete, and what they rolled out as Hangouts today is not what they'll ultimately roll out? Or does it mean -- as I suspect -- that New Hangouts is XMPP under the hood, but they plan to flip the 'interoperate' switch to 'off' once they think nobody will notice?

Re: The new Google Hangouts will not support XMPP

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Post by secure »

ajpatel wrote: post #16

I need a client for Ubuntu then :(

Just to clarify: If you think you need a client because you are currently using an XMPP client with your gmail account, then you do NOT need to switch. See bullet point 1 — XMPP _clients_ are still supported.

XMPP _federation_ is going away :(.

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