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The Jenna Marbles Paradox: Why Are YouTube Videos So Terrible?

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Re: The Jenna Marbles Paradox: Why Are YouTube Videos So Terrible?

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In addition to the author's points about how the videos are constructed (thumbnail tricks, headline bait) to gain views, you also have to consider the basic mechanism involved in getting views: accessibility to a large population of people. If your videos are created at such a high level that only people with an IQ>130 can understand, you won't get that many views, and even fewer subscribers. If you target the crowd…

"If your videos are created at such a high level that only people with an IQ>130 can understand, you won't get that many views"

That's a terrible specific example because you only need 0.25% of the American population to watch to get a gold plaque, but by the old standard of 95% of the population scores within 2 SD of the mean aka 70-130 IQ, that means your videos would appeal to about 2.5% of the population, or ten times as many people as you'd need to achieve the coveted youtube gold plaque.

I get what you're trying to say even if the example was not so good. The problem is no one watches youtube, so the small fraction of popular videos is pretty small if you compare it to the fraction of the population who are smart.

"They don't care about production value that much." Production quality is a DSW for professional producers and no one else cares. Attractive young woman I saw in the lunchroom today got plenty of attention from the guys despite not having rehearsed her lines and screwing up the joke punchline. And lighting and costumes weren't any good and none of us had much of a decent camera angle. Nothing in life that's memorable ever seems to be hollywood perfect, and no one minds but the professional production crews.

Re: The Jenna Marbles Paradox: Why Are YouTube Videos So Terrible?

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post #3

> The same can pretty much be said about the rest of YouTube’s top “talent.” From Shane Dawson to Smosh, it’s almost universally bad content, bad jokes, bad premises, bad production value. Oh, you mean just like regular TV.

TV wasn't that bad 10-15 years ago. Formulaic as they were, 90s sitcoms used to always entertain, even if they didn't have much new to bring to the table.

Now, of course, we have mindless nonsense on TV, but I'm afraid YouTube is even worse. I have no subscribers on YouTube, and I never watch any of the producers listed in the article.

I generally use it for music (I listen to a lot of jazz, and Spotify has very little jazz music), and watching arbitrary YouTube videos that end up in links from Hacker News.

And the occasional technology video.

EDIT:

What's interesting about the article is the trail of comments left by top YouTubers, such as Ryan Higa, Tay Zonday, and Lamarr Wilson. Really entertaining to read their responses.

Re: The Jenna Marbles Paradox: Why Are YouTube Videos So Terrible?

#43
HeadOn apply directly to the forehead.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Is3icfcbmbs http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HeadOn

It works for some. Actually it works for a lot, and that doesn't mean it's a bad thing. Most people go through the day without the intuitive eye for wit, great taste, and appreciation for production value that a media manipulator and PR strategist would have, but I wouldn't say that makes the world a worse place. What's good and what's effective can be 2 separate things entirely.

Re: The Jenna Marbles Paradox: Why Are YouTube Videos So Terrible?

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post #37
post #7

I have the feeling the author is elevating presentation over content. His definition of terrible is different than mine. I mean, I think "Transformers 3: Pixels Making Grinding Noises" has insanely great production value, and made a bajillion dollars, but honestly I'd rather watch two hours of Jenna Marbles videos, and I don't even like Jenna Marbles all that much.

I think she's kinda cute. If I uploaded kittens playing with string people would feel safe admitting they're watching solely because they're cute, but we must pretend that young men watching a cute young woman must solely be watching for her amazing pair of literary values and production quality. There is an obvious blind spot relating to narrowcasting in both your examples. Both hollywood action sequels and youtube…

> In both examples, 99% of the population won't watch either for free.

FWIW, Transformers 3 took about $350m in north America, which at $10/ticket (is that reasonable?) is 35 million viewers. Not all of those are in the US (but I think "north America" in context might just mean "US and canada", which is like 90% US), and some of them would be repeat viewers, but probably 5-15% of the US population paid to see that film.

Re: The Jenna Marbles Paradox: Why Are YouTube Videos So Terrible?

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post #12

I don't know that this author has his ducks in a row. For example, in the USA, The Bell System provided an amazing quality of phone service. Uptime of the system was just astonishing, voice quality beats cell phones hollow. But clearly, the voice quality and reliability of the system wasn't all that necessary. Cell phone systems don't provide anywhere near the reliability or voice quality that The Bell System used to…

> voice quality beats cell phones hollow Really? Not in my experience. > Why not believe that the Media Monopoly (ABC, NBC, CBS) used their monopoly rents to make programming with lots of flourishes and quality? It did for a certain definition of 'quality'. For a while, it raised the sitcom to a level of perfection few art forms ever reach, but if you don't like the traditional sitcom that means nothing to you. Certa…

prevented any other kinds of stories from being told well, or told at all.

Exactly my point. Jenna Marbles and Ryan Higa and all the others with millions of hits and zero production sort of prove that point. Youtube viewers watch the stories they like, rather than choosing from the least bad ABC/NBC/CBS show that's on right now.

Re: The Jenna Marbles Paradox: Why Are YouTube Videos So Terrible?

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post #27
post #13

What is being run, unintentionally by YouTube and its army of content generators, is a massively parallel search algorithm that evolves and optimizes itself to find every facet of human weakness. Networks effects on the internet allow it to run at an unprecedented speed and scale. There is a certain ironic beauty to how destructive the system as a whole becomes. Everyone gains. The content producer, YouTube and the a…

Unlike the housing bubble no one loses in the end. Sure, the Youtube revenue stream will dry up but that's the nature of the business. Either the content providers will move on to The Next Big Thing(TM) or will just be replaced by someone else. I don't think any of them believe that they can continue doing this for 30 years.

When human weakness is targeted(unintentionally & uncontrollably) at such an unprecedented scale, users loose. people loose.

And like the housing bubble, "at the end", everyone is going to be looking at one another and saying don't blame us everyone else was doing it too.

Re: The Jenna Marbles Paradox: Why Are YouTube Videos So Terrible?

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post #42
post #3

> The same can pretty much be said about the rest of YouTube’s top “talent.” From Shane Dawson to Smosh, it’s almost universally bad content, bad jokes, bad premises, bad production value. Oh, you mean just like regular TV.

TV wasn't that bad 10-15 years ago. Formulaic as they were, 90s sitcoms used to always entertain, even if they didn't have much new to bring to the table. Now, of course, we have mindless nonsense on TV, but I'm afraid YouTube is even worse. I have no subscribers on YouTube, and I never watch any of the producers listed in the article. I generally use it for music (I listen to a lot of jazz, and Spotify has very litt…

> 90s sitcoms used to always entertain

They lost me in the 80s (I watched a ton in the 70s).

Never could manage to go back.

Edit: I came up with two exceptions

1. Jon Stewart 2. Pinky and the Brain.

For different reasons, both of those could get me to turn on a TV.

Re: The Jenna Marbles Paradox: Why Are YouTube Videos So Terrible?

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Much of the blame for vapid content propogation on YouTube must also be assigned to YouTube's own content recommendations engine. This:

Won't accept no for an answer. You can't select and item and say "never, ever, under any circumstances, show this to me again." You can't even delete it from the recommendations list.

Once you fall down a YouTube rathole, you stay there. YouTube never forgets (or requires a severe amount of ass-kicking and browser/history deletion to be told to forget). Random crap content I've viewed long ago seems (and of course, I can't know for sure) to result in promoting the same sort of crap content. You've all ended up in that corner of YouTube, and there's no way out.

YouTube promotes its own recommendations over what you've searched for. When I look for content, rather than have the search results represented in the recommendations list, it's YouTube's own selections. Which are often ... not what I want. But don't be tempted to click (see "rathole" above).

Mass markets favor common denominators. There's amazingly good stuff on YouTube, for whatever your definition of amazing is. But often, that's going to be ver specific to who you are and what your interests are. The only thing I can guarantee is that the intersection of your interests with the rest of the world is likely to be at a pretty base level.

Eyeball economies favor vapidity. We're seeing this in many areas (news, Web content, videos). Until user-selection tools become better at countering this, we'll continue to see the problem.

There is really good content with relatively poor production values. Having an interest in fitness, Boris "johnny mnemonic" Bachmann's "Squat Rx" video series is _great_. It's a one-man production filmed at low (320p) resolution with spotty audio levels. But the depth of knowledge is excellent. Thankfully, it's filmed with a tripod and well edited. http://www.youtube.com/user/johnnymnemonic2

Production quality doesn't translate to high-value content. "Vsauce" is a highly-produced video series. The information content is virtually nil (and the energy level is beyond annoying). The "origional series" "Blue" is ... beyond stupid.

Production quality CAN further boost high-value content. The TED Talk video series, and RSA Animate videos are excellent. If viewed from a production perspective, there's a lot of work that goes into them, and poor imitations are poor, though some other parties have used similar techniques well, see the Post Carbon Institute: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJ-J91SwP8w

YouTube handles spam / MVP poorly. A popular video will be grabbed and repurposed by spammers and mindless video propogators / mindless viral propogators endlessly. It results in a huge duplication of content (often at increasing levels of video/audio quality degredation). See especially "fail" video compilations. No, it's a trap! (See: "rathole", above).

Chalk it up to my own boring interests, but finding micro-channel content relevant to specific areas is one of the huge wins of YouTube. Interviews, seminars, conference sessions recorded, and other informational content. Along with a bit of entertainment. The problem of course is that such content has very little visibility at scale -- it's part of the "long tail". And despite what some Cluetrainists would want you to believe, the real money is still at the head.

Re: The Jenna Marbles Paradox: Why Are YouTube Videos So Terrible?

#49
I watched Idiocracy [1] last night for the first time. The story is very clever in parts. Certainly the description of a film that was considered the best because it was just a picture of someone farting. Is taking the style of Youtube to the extreme.

The original article is pointing to that future, where Generation C's attention is on the low brow entertainment and traditional production cannot sustain itself.

Like journalism today is fighting for survival (who's going to pay for a full time reporter when you can get information off twitter?), television production will also be fighting in 10-15 years time as the next generation of adult switch off the satellite/cable TV in favour of Youtube style content.

[1] http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0387808/

Re: The Jenna Marbles Paradox: Why Are YouTube Videos So Terrible?

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post #44
post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think she's kinda cute. If I uploaded kittens playing with string people would feel safe admitting they're watching solely because they're cute, but we must pretend that young men watching a cute young woman must solely be watching for her amazing pair of literary values and production quality. There is an obvious blind spot relating to narrowcasting in both your examples. Both hollywood action sequels and youtube…

> In both examples, 99% of the population won't watch either for free. FWIW, Transformers 3 took about $350m in north America, which at $10/ticket (is that reasonable?) is 35 million viewers. Not all of those are in the US (but I think "north America" in context might just mean "US and canada", which is like 90% US), and some of them would be repeat viewers, but probably 5-15% of the US population paid to see that fi…

That's what I mean. "fifth-highest-grossing film of all time" means ignored by over 90% of the population.

What we are told defines our culture, does not. Whatever the heck over 90% of the population did instead of watching Transformers 3 for two hours, defines our culture.

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