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Re: You Can't Afford To Stop Using Mail

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Post by premyslruzicka »

dmbaggett wrote: post #35
peterwwillis wrote: post #29

Some thoughts: "We have a strategy how to wipe out spam for good. [...] Phishing is going to be just a story too." Whitelisting pretty much solves this. (Multiple accounts also help; one you give to people directly, and one you use for everything online, helps bump personal communication to the top) "Are your important messages always delivered? We will guarantee a delivery in less than a second." Those are two diffe…

In our experience, whitelisting really doesn't solve the problem. I often get email from people I don't know about things I want to read about ("hey, I'm a VC who wants to give you money!"). Automagically parsing receipts is certainly cool, and several mail vendors are working on it, including us (Inky). Guaranteed delivery isn't really possible without controlling both sender and recipient's client; nor is immediate…

You're right about delivery. This is something we are going to work on. Don't think of us as a competitor. We want to create an infrastructure and we need client solutions to work with us ;-)

Re: You Can't Afford To Stop Using Mail

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Post by pit »

hi@welovemail.com

So we took a look at the mail's health:

Deliverability of the messages thumbsdown

Misuse of the address thumbsup

Redundancy for incoming messages thumbsup

Tracking of sent messages thumbsdown

It seems the owner needs our service really badly. Please, let them now.

Re: You Can't Afford To Stop Using Mail

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Post by charonn0 »

shawabawa3 wrote: post #21
nollidge wrote: post #7

I think you mean "You can't afford to stop using mail"?

I think he means "You can't afford to stop using email " I'm from the UK and I've never heard anybody say mail when they meant email.

I'm from the US and have never heard that either.

Re: You Can't Afford To Stop Using Mail

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Post by walshemj »

premyslruzicka wrote: post #14
baudehlo wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It very much depends on your account visibility. I have the email address helpme@gmail and it gets about 20 spams a day into my inbox (and thousands to my spam folder, so I'm not arguing that it's a bad filter). So it's far from solved. However I used to work in anti-spam and so know full well that it's not a solvable problem - no matter what some new startup claims.

I agree, mail has to change at a very basic level to not allow anyone to send spam.

You would have to drop smtp and go back to the ITU Approved Stack (OSI X.400) where the PTT would run the mail system.

And you would be charged 50p plus tired data charges on top of that per email and like it Sub :-)

BTW I am not suggesting this woudl be a good thing.

Re: You Can't Afford To Stop Using Mail

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Post by premyslruzicka »

abgoldberg wrote: post #32

It looks like this is not a general purpose mail client, but rather something specific to your own hosted domain. If you're looking for a usable IMAP/POP mail client today, try Inky ( http://inky.com ), which has a lot of these features already and many more on the roadmap. It's available for Mac and Windows right now, with Linux support coming soon ( http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2013/05/inky-pens-linux-support-o... )

Yes, we're not trying to be a mail client. Our focus is also on the server side. You need to own a domain to be able to use our service.

Inky is a cool solution.

Re: You Can't Afford To Stop Using Mail

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Post by premyslruzicka »

Sujan wrote: post #36

Interesting: > Thank you ...@gmail.com > One more thing. We took a look at your current mail's health: > Deliverability of your messages (thumbsdown) > Your server is weakly secured and could be used for sending spam. Seems like a false positive.

That check looks for blacklisted IPs of your provider. Gmail is blacklisted very often, thus making deliverability of your messages to some servers lower. Might be a poor wording on our side. We'll take a look at that.

Re: You Can't Afford To Stop Using Mail

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Post by premyslruzicka »

baudehlo wrote: post #39
premyslruzicka wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree, mail has to change at a very basic level to not allow anyone to send spam.

That's impossible. You have two options: 1) Have central control, central management. Facebook has this in their messaging app, and still spend millions of dollars fighting spam on it every year. 2) Have whitelist only email - basically get pre-approval for who can message you. Instant Messaging has this and people still get spammed on it. Plus you lose so much under this model - how many times a year do you email so…

It's not impossible. It's just bloody difficult.

Re: You Can't Afford To Stop Using Mail

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Post by mey »

jrabone wrote: post #15

I run a mail server for my own company and my immediate friends and family. I hope you aren't planning on using one of the many ESPs to do your actual delivery; increasingly I am blacklisting them (and by ASN) since despite any claims to the contrary they don't give two shits about spam or UCE. There may or may not be collateral damage but I really don't care anymore; I have a home-grown analysis script that runs dai…

And this is why I stopped running my own email and use gmail. This entirely alone.

Re: You Can't Afford To Stop Using Mail

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Post by jrabone »

mey wrote: post #48
jrabone wrote: post #15

I run a mail server for my own company and my immediate friends and family. I hope you aren't planning on using one of the many ESPs to do your actual delivery; increasingly I am blacklisting them (and by ASN) since despite any claims to the contrary they don't give two shits about spam or UCE. There may or may not be collateral damage but I really don't care anymore; I have a home-grown analysis script that runs dai…

And this is why I stopped running my own email and use gmail. This entirely alone.

But you're missing out on the all the fun of managing your own DKIM & ADSP DNS records! And debugging mobile device SSL issues. And Courier-IMAP IDLE support for various broken IMAP clients. Not to mention Outlook's amusing approach to TLS. What do you DO all day?

Also, does Gmail do S/MIME? I see a Firefox plugin, and Penango which appears to be Firefox/IE. What about Chrome / Android?

Re: You Can't Afford To Stop Using Mail

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Post by baudehlo »

premyslruzicka wrote: post #47
baudehlo wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's impossible. You have two options: 1) Have central control, central management. Facebook has this in their messaging app, and still spend millions of dollars fighting spam on it every year. 2) Have whitelist only email - basically get pre-approval for who can message you. Instant Messaging has this and people still get spammed on it. Plus you lose so much under this model - how many times a year do you email so…

It's not impossible. It's just bloody difficult.

I don't know what your pedigree is in the anti-spam world (personally I wrote large chunks of SpamAssassin, implemented Symantec's Cloud anti-spam engine from scratch, wrote the Haraka SMTP server, and am one of the authors of RFC 6471), but this is called a FUSSP for a reason.

http://www.rhyolite.com/anti-spam/you-might-be.html

In short, build a better client, sure, but don't have delusions that you can make spam a thing of the past. It's impossible once you get any level of traction worth talking about.

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