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Yup. And trying to shut it down is litigating, legislating, and dealing down to "no-real-competition".
So in your free market there is no copyright on software?
When did Ninite ever infringe on anyone's copyright?
Adobe wants Ninite to stop rolling out crapware-free Flash
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Re: Adobe wants Ninite to stop rolling out crapware-free Flash
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You're right. With them being for profit, they have lost their credibility. Frankly, just look at their website: https://ninite.com/updater/ Aren't there other free updaters? Sure, but they don't work like Ninite Updater. With Ninite Updater it's one step to download and install all your updates in the background at once. Yup, This story is not black and white. I'm actually on adobe's side.
What's wrong with being for-profit? People need to put food on their tables after all.
Non profits like Mozilla still pay employees.
Re: Adobe wants Ninite to stop rolling out crapware-free Flash
#43Earlier quoted context omitted.
You're right. With them being for profit, they have lost their credibility. Frankly, just look at their website: https://ninite.com/updater/ Aren't there other free updaters? Sure, but they don't work like Ninite Updater. With Ninite Updater it's one step to download and install all your updates in the background at once. Yup, This story is not black and white. I'm actually on adobe's side.
What's wrong with being for-profit? People need to put food on their tables after all.
Because all software should be free, of course. They can make money from concert sales and T-shirts.
Wait, that's not right...
Re: Adobe wants Ninite to stop rolling out crapware-free Flash
#44This article is a bit... lacking. First off, the Flash updater on Windows works quite well on modern Windows systems. Second off, Ninite isn't just some good Samaritan, they're a for-profit company. Third, and related to the second, Ninite's updater costs $10 a year while Adobe Flash's built-in updater is free. They also have a Ninite Pro version that supports remote updates and installs and costs $240 to $2,220 per…
You imply Ninite are charging for Flash, but they are not. The charge is for the Pro service. I don't use it (I use the free installers, and love them). I'm not in the target group for the Pro--admins that need to keep a lot of machines up to date. If I were in that group, I'd gladly pay.
The whole focus on Ninite charging is a red herring. This also has to do with the free installer that Ninite provides to people who do NOT pay for the Pro.
Re: Adobe wants Ninite to stop rolling out crapware-free Flash
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As a developer, I kind of take offense to the allegations of Java (and Flash as well, I suppose, it's supposed to be pretty good) being "crappy software". The JVM is actually a rather awesome piece of software which offers good performance and good garbage collection. And interesting new languages have been created and flourished on top of the JVM. (Scala, Clojure) Please know the difference between bad/customer unfr…
Take a look at the security record of both in browser plugin scenarios and get back to us on that... While Java admittedly has a solid underlying core, the criticism is for the entire platform, which has some significant problems, some technical, some security, and many organizational.
Yes. And what's even worse is this: How many sites in common use actually need the Java browser plugin? And yet, if you are not careful, it will be enabled in your browser, thus increasing your vulnerability for no good reason.
If regular users were commonly aware of what browser plugins they actually need, and knew how to go through the list and disable the ones they actually didn't need, that would mitigate things somewhat.
Re: Adobe wants Ninite to stop rolling out crapware-free Flash
#46Earlier quoted context omitted.
A free market? I've heared whispers of those magical places, but I am yet to encounter one in real life. Seems everything and anything worth something in this world has already been regulated to "no-real-competition".
How has competing with flash been regulated to impossibility?
There is a whole history with Adobe's SVG and Macromedia's flash and patent-wars, but those ended when Adobe bought Macromedia. So, you're correct. I was light heartedly referring to the comment about free market places, not commeting in regards to Flash specifically.
Re: Adobe wants Ninite to stop rolling out crapware-free Flash
#47If you live in a closed source ecosystem, you die in a closed source ecosystem.
e.g If you want to distribute closed source tools and software without sorting out a license first, your going to have a hard time because often this is exactly how free (in terms of price) software companies make their money.
Re: Adobe wants Ninite to stop rolling out crapware-free Flash
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What's wrong with being for-profit? People need to put food on their tables after all.
Non profits like Mozilla still pay employees.
Technically only the Mozilla Foundation is non-profit. The Mozilla Corporation which is the organization that has the deal with Google about the search feature, and is the one which distributes common versions of Firefox is not non-profit. Granted Mozilla Corporation is owned by Mozilla Foundation, but still, this just shows that in non-non-profits organizations the decisions are governed by owners, for better or for worse.
Re: Adobe wants Ninite to stop rolling out crapware-free Flash
#49Noticed it was gone from Ninite yesterday. Good riddance and a nice one of Ninite I thought. Still on fresh Windows 7 the Adobe monster suddenly appeared. Not sure where it came from, IE10 or Chrome?
Re: Adobe wants Ninite to stop rolling out crapware-free Flash
#50Title here is wrong, the reg says "crapware-free Flash". This dash is a little thing but it does matter; it changes the meaning. I passed over this article all day, after I read the headline as "stop rolling out flash, which is crapware, free".
Punctuation. It's the difference between "Let's eat, Grandma" and "Let's eat Grandma"