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Boston College Campus Police: "Using Prompt Commands" May Be a Sign of Criminal Activity

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Re: Boston College Campus Police: "Using Prompt Commands" May Be a Sign of Criminal Activity

#41

Two words for this guy: encrypted filesystem. If you don't want to testify against youself in court, you shouldn't let your computers do it either.

What happens if the court subpoenas the contents of the filesystem? If you don't supply the key, don't you go to jail?

Re: Boston College Campus Police: "Using Prompt Commands" May Be a Sign of Criminal Activity

#42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

10% is more than enough reasonable doubt That's not the correct standard of evidence for the allegations supporting a search warrant. Yes, I am a lawyer.

"That's not the correct standard of evidence for the allegations supporting a search warrant." It would be great if you could explain (to us non lawyers) what did constitute a correct standard of evidence.

The search warrant standard is called "probable cause"

http://www.criminal-law-lawyer-source.com/terms/probable-cau...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Probable_cause

rather than "proof beyond a reasonable doubt" (which is what is needed for a criminal conviction) and definitely is at a level such that sometimes places are searched or items are seized that never end up resulting in a criminal prosecution. The case mentioned in this thread involved a search warrant affidavit mentioning facts that made reasonable a belief that the items seized should be looked at as possibly related to a crime.

Re: Boston College Campus Police: "Using Prompt Commands" May Be a Sign of Criminal Activity

#43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I actually had a police car drive up to my car when my wife and I were resting during an evening cross-country road trip in what happened to be a bank parking lot. The local police did think it was suspicious for a car with out-of-state plates to be be parked near a bank after banking hours. But we just explained that we had been driving for a long time on the nearby Interstate in very bad weather, and were too tired…

I can only assume you and your wife aren't black folk. If so, you may have had a very different experience.

We actually are an "interracial" couple, but I get what you mean. I'm trying to do my part to bring about a world in which we all just look at one another as our fellow human beings, without invidious assumptions.

Re: Boston College Campus Police: "Using Prompt Commands" May Be a Sign of Criminal Activity

#44

Two words for this guy: encrypted filesystem. If you don't want to testify against youself in court, you shouldn't let your computers do it either.

What happens if the court subpoenas the contents of the filesystem? If you don't supply the key, don't you go to jail?

This hasn't been resolved in court yet: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/01...

"On Nov. 29, Magistrate Judge Jerome J. Niedermeier ruled that compelling Sebastien Boucher, a 30-year-old drywall installer who lives in Vermont, to enter his password into his laptop would violate his Fifth Amendment right against self-incrimination. "If Boucher does know the password, he would be faced with the forbidden trilemma: incriminate himself, lie under oath, or find himself in contempt of court," the judge said.

The government has appealed, and the case is being investigated by a grand jury, said Boucher's attorney, James Boudreau of Boston. He said it would be "inappropriate" to comment while the case is pending. Justice Department officials also declined to comment. "

Re: Boston College Campus Police: "Using Prompt Commands" May Be a Sign of Criminal Activity

#46
post #17

Has anyone actually read the warrant application? The allegations were made by a close acquaintance of the accused who directly observed him changing grades for students and cracking into other systems; the emails in question were traced back to the accused's hostname. The EFF article completely mischaracterizes a 90% legitimate warrant. http://www.eff.org/files/filenode/inresearchBC/EXHIBIT-A.pdf

Yup, the short summary is: a guy behaves like an ass and a former friend notifies the police of his illegal activities. In these days, you'd better not fuck your friends over, because they may alert the police to your stack of pirated movies.

Re: Boston College Campus Police: "Using Prompt Commands" May Be a Sign of Criminal Activity

#47
post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, if the bank robbers had left a note with their name and address on it, they would have been justified. D-bag kid's forged emails were traced back to his IP address, which then led to his SMB name and MAC address. It'll be hard to get out of that. Plus, unless I'm mixing up the censor squares, it's his roommate that made the accusation in the first place. So it's not really like they just picked on a random kid…

Is sending a forged e-mail accusing your roommate of being gay illegal? It sounds juvenile and malicious. But I don't see how it's a crime. Anyway, you've misread the warrant application. The forged e-mails were tracked to a dynamic IP address. They searched for anyone else using the same computer name ("bootleg-laptop"), and found that the accused had used the same computer name but NOT the same MAC address six mont…

It seems everyone overlooks the fact that the warrant was also after an undefined number of pirated movies. If found, that alone can cause the suspect serious grief. I wonder if the roommate will regret his testimony later on...

Re: Boston College Campus Police: "Using Prompt Commands" May Be a Sign of Criminal Activity

#48
post #17

Has anyone actually read the warrant application? The allegations were made by a close acquaintance of the accused who directly observed him changing grades for students and cracking into other systems; the emails in question were traced back to the accused's hostname. The EFF article completely mischaracterizes a 90% legitimate warrant. http://www.eff.org/files/filenode/inresearchBC/EXHIBIT-A.pdf

I think the popularity of this article has more in common with the popularity of the "how to care for your introvert" article. Basically the group is trying to define itself, and persecution is one of those very common rallying points. People with beautiful and misunderstood introverted abilities are being singled out by the man. If you enjoy this kind of thing there are sites like reddit which are perfect for expres…

It may be true that they're trying to define themselves, but if so I'd say it's because they're exploiting an opportunity they've found with regard to so many holes in the investigation. But more importantly, I disagree that this is more suited for Reddit discussion (if that was your point). Here at HN as I'm sure you're aware, we have a record of intelligent, coherent and stimulating debate about a wide range of important topics and being that the warrant and the topic are in fact hacker related it was a good choice to post it here.

Re: Boston College Campus Police: "Using Prompt Commands" May Be a Sign of Criminal Activity

#49
post #35

It's kind of odd to see the EFF using such linkbait tactics. The comments on this thread are much more informative than the article.

Hmm.. maybe this is what greendestiny was getting at and for that I completely agree, on both accounts.

Re: Boston College Campus Police: "Using Prompt Commands" May Be a Sign of Criminal Activity

#50

Two words for this guy: encrypted filesystem. If you don't want to testify against youself in court, you shouldn't let your computers do it either.

What happens if the court subpoenas the contents of the filesystem? If you don't supply the key, don't you go to jail?

There are some filesystem/full-disk encryption programs that claim they can get around this. Apparently (I've never used it), if one is required to provide the adversary or authorities with the passphrase, they only get so far - into the virtual disk, which then presents the illusion that there is nothing else on the disk, further claiming their product makes it literally impossible for them to detect the real contents of the partition... I'd name one of the programs here but I'm generally uncomfortable with listing links to products in forums like this- it's almost spammy like (it's a popular utility and came up when searched for hard drive encryption).
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