Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

JQuery 2.0 Released

blog.jquery.com

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

41–50 of 226 posts

Re: JQuery 2.0 Released

#41

Post by jacob019 »

JoeCortopassi wrote: post #13

I think what a lot of people are upset about here, is jQuery entered the web development scene as "the library that solved cross-browser compatibility issues". Now while IE 6 is an obvious one to drop, IE 7 is a little tougher, and IE 8 is down right impossible to drop at this time. I understand that jQuery wants to promote a modern framework, but people didn't adopt it for it's fancy features. They adopted it becaus…

I think it's great. No one is forcing anyone to upgrade, jQuery 1.9 is stable and you can use it forever even with new browsers. So what if it's not supported after some unknown date in the future. It's solid and will keep on working. No one is forcing developers to switch, but in my case I don't want my users using older versions of IE. We develop apps for in-house use, and breaking old insecure browsers is a good thing, it promotes user upgrades. A smaller jQuery is great, as it will reduce load times a bit. I couldn't be happier with the decision.

Re: JQuery 2.0 Released

#42

Post by igravious »

ahoge wrote: post #34
oneeyedpigeon wrote: post #16

I cannot believe IE8 is now considered 'old'. It is the second most used browser+version on our site, and has about 80% as much usage as the leader, IE9. Can't see IE8 support being droppable for many years yet.

Even IE9 is pretty old. It's over 2 years old by now. IE8 is over 4 years old. IE11 will be released soon. How many versions of IE do you intend to support?

As many versions as used by the audience that they serve I suppose; how is the choice up to him?

Re: JQuery 2.0 Released

#43

Post by speg »

spicyj wrote: post #15
JoeCortopassi wrote: post #13

I think what a lot of people are upset about here, is jQuery entered the web development scene as "the library that solved cross-browser compatibility issues". Now while IE 6 is an obvious one to drop, IE 7 is a little tougher, and IE 8 is down right impossible to drop at this time. I understand that jQuery wants to promote a modern framework, but people didn't adopt it for it's fancy features. They adopted it becaus…

I don't think that's true. There were a handful of competing libraries (Prototype.js, Mootools, etc) and jQuery won out because people seemed to prefer its API.

I can only speak for myself, but IMO jQuery won because of their docs. I seem to remember having a hell of a time trying to get MooTools to work in the summer of '06, and finding docs to be of no help.

Re: JQuery 2.0 Released

#44

Post by jeresig »

JoeCortopassi wrote: post #13

I think what a lot of people are upset about here, is jQuery entered the web development scene as "the library that solved cross-browser compatibility issues". Now while IE 6 is an obvious one to drop, IE 7 is a little tougher, and IE 8 is down right impossible to drop at this time. I understand that jQuery wants to promote a modern framework, but people didn't adopt it for it's fancy features. They adopted it becaus…

I don't work on jQuery any more but I (and I know many others on the jQuery team) all build web sites as part of their day jobs (and, thus, need to continuing supporting IE 8). It's going to be a very long time before support for the 1.x branch is dropped. But hopefully soon, death of IE 8 willing.

Re: JQuery 2.0 Released

#45

Post by svachalek »

oneeyedpigeon wrote: post #23
themgt wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is one of the biggest projects on the web leading the way in throwing shitty old IE under the bus to help push the modern web forward. They're going to keep big-fixing 1.X so people stuck with IE6/7/8 can keep supporting it, but moving forward with 2.x for modern browsers makes their lives easier in the long run, and provides yet another coffin nail in Microsoft's attempt decade-old attempt to break the web.

Third parties have been trying to throw shitty old IE under the bus for a long, long time and haven't had much success in doing so. I fear jQuery 2.0 will see very low take-up on mainstream sites, and the resulting fork will be tricky to manage.

People said that for the longest time about IE6, then Google just did it and boom, after the fact it was about as (un)devastating as the Y2K problem.

Not that jQuery has the same kind of power but you can't ask people to move forward nicely, you have to drag them kicking and screaming.

Re: JQuery 2.0 Released

#46

Post by philh »

jhack wrote: post #40
philh wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It looks to me like he's worried (or saying that other people are/might be worried) about how long 1.9 will continue to be supported for.

From the post: "...we’ve got jQuery 1.x to handle older browsers and fully expect to support it for several more years."

I skimmed to see if they'd already addressed that, but apparently I missed it. Thanks.

Re: JQuery 2.0 Released

#47

Post by DigitalSea »

This is a welcome change. Considering the market share of IE 6, 7 and 8 is pretty minuscule and Google dropping support for IE8 back in November 2012 should be cause enough to drop it from jQuery too. It's great to hear they'll be supporting the older 1.9 branch for users who need to support older versions of IE as not everyone has the luxury of being able to ditch older versions of IE like that. There's no cause for concern here, the jQuery team covered their bases well and lets face it, there aren't many open source projects out there that drop support for older versions of something like a browser and then commit to continue to support an older branch for a lengthy amount of time.

Re: JQuery 2.0 Released

#48

Post by jhack »

igravious wrote: post #42
ahoge wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even IE9 is pretty old. It's over 2 years old by now. IE8 is over 4 years old. IE11 will be released soon. How many versions of IE do you intend to support?

As many versions as used by the audience that they serve I suppose; how is the choice up to him?

At the speed web development is moving, I don't see much sense in coddling browsers that are more than 2-3 years old.

Re: JQuery 2.0 Released

#49

Post by [deleted] »

leeoniya wrote: post #17

it would be nice to see a 2.0 vs 1.9 bench on FF/Chrome/IE9+, much more interested in that than a non-noticeable 11k size reduction for the end user (maybe only slightly noticeable on very slow mobile).

[deleted]

Re: JQuery 2.0 Released

#50

Post by jjs »

dmethvin wrote: post #30
as_if wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They hate IE SO much, they even made the drop a new major release. This is what I call commitment.

Since people see jQuery as a solution for cross-browser issues, dropping some browser support is the biggest change imaginable.

Deprecating old-IE is the solution for cross-browser issues.
Post reply on HN