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Pirate Bay co-founder charged with hacking and fraud

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Re: Pirate Bay co-founder charged with hacking and fraud

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Post by [deleted] »

dionyziz wrote: post #15
niggler wrote: post #6

> illegally transfer money from a bank. What does it mean to illegally transfer money? Is this a euphemism for stealing?

"Illegally transferring money" may mean the following, which would not be called "stealing": * Transferring money between two bank accounts neither of which one owns. For example, I could transfer money from niggler's bank account to Obama's bank account, without personally benefiting from it, "for the lulz," or for trying to see if I actually have access to do that after having hacked into a bank's system. * Transfe…

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Re: Pirate Bay co-founder charged with hacking and fraud

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Post by mongol »

draugadrotten wrote: post #17
alan_cx wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Out of interest, would you prefer to face Swedish justice or the US system?

Penalties in the Swedish justice system are humane. Even serious crimes only renders 5-10 years of prison time. Conditions in prisons are far better than the US. Prisoners have private rooms, gym and better food than elderly citizens. The US system have far too severe penalties. Sentences of 10-100 years are now common. Conditions in prisons are horrible with rampant drug abuse, violence and even murders. However, th…

Yes, Sweden has "fri bevisföring". And why not? If evidence proves that someone is a criminal, it is not less true it was retrieved by controversial means. "Fri bevisföring" means that the court makes the decision whether the evidence is valid, based on circumstances in the case in question.

Re: Pirate Bay co-founder charged with hacking and fraud

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Post by freyr »

white_devil wrote: post #18
sergiotapia wrote: post #3

>hacking into several Swedish companies and stealing personal data Are these allegations true? If so, I don't think this man deserves sympathies. The punishment may be too harsh in my opinion for these type of crimes, but they are crimes nonetheless.

It's bullshit propaganda, and the charges are just as valid as Assange's rape charges, courtesy of the same corrupt government. The US entertainment industry wants to make an example of him. >> He was also charged with hacking into the computer servers of Logica, a Swedish company that handles tax documents. "Oh noes! Don't hack our taxes !!" Logica is a big, bloated IT services company that makes (shitty) custom sof…

>> It's bullshit propaganda,

Source? Do you have ANY evidence of this whatsoever?

>> "Oh noes! Don't hack our taxes!!" Logica is a big, bloated IT services company that makes (shitty) custom software

Are you suggesting, because Logica is big, bloated, makes "shitty" software, or makes tax software, they should be open game to hackers? You are ridiculous.

Re: Pirate Bay co-founder charged with hacking and fraud

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Post by trotsky »

sergiotapia wrote: post #3

>hacking into several Swedish companies and stealing personal data Are these allegations true? If so, I don't think this man deserves sympathies. The punishment may be too harsh in my opinion for these type of crimes, but they are crimes nonetheless.

I think I'd remain skeptical until the specific details emerge. Let's not forget weeve is doing federal time for running a script to download email addresses from a public website.

I'm not saying it couldn't be legit, but I think we can all agree that TPB is well into the realm of "find me something that'll stick on these guys"

Re: Pirate Bay co-founder charged with hacking and fraud

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Post by geon »

Kiro wrote: post #23
white_devil wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's bullshit propaganda, and the charges are just as valid as Assange's rape charges, courtesy of the same corrupt government. The US entertainment industry wants to make an example of him. >> He was also charged with hacking into the computer servers of Logica, a Swedish company that handles tax documents. "Oh noes! Don't hack our taxes !!" Logica is a big, bloated IT services company that makes (shitty) custom sof…

Corrupt government? Are we talking about Sweden or Somalia? Sweden is one of the least corrupt countries in the world so please stop with your ridiculous conspiracy theories.

While Sweden (my country btw.) is one of the least corrupt places, there is indeed coruption. In the TPB case, it became very clear that Hollywood basically ordered an illegal razzia. Lots of Swedish laws were broken, secret negotiations happened, and Sweden was thretened wigh trade sanctions.

Re: Pirate Bay co-founder charged with hacking and fraud

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Post by rayiner »

trotsky wrote: post #44
sergiotapia wrote: post #3

>hacking into several Swedish companies and stealing personal data Are these allegations true? If so, I don't think this man deserves sympathies. The punishment may be too harsh in my opinion for these type of crimes, but they are crimes nonetheless.

I think I'd remain skeptical until the specific details emerge. Let's not forget weeve is doing federal time for running a script to download email addresses from a public website. I'm not saying it couldn't be legit, but I think we can all agree that TPB is well into the realm of "find me something that'll stick on these guys"

> Let's not forget weeve is doing federal time for running a script to download email addresses from a public website.

And claiming he was going to sell them. Why leave out the whole truth?

Re: Pirate Bay co-founder charged with hacking and fraud

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Post by lawnchair_larry »

rayiner wrote: post #46
trotsky wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think I'd remain skeptical until the specific details emerge. Let's not forget weeve is doing federal time for running a script to download email addresses from a public website. I'm not saying it couldn't be legit, but I think we can all agree that TPB is well into the realm of "find me something that'll stick on these guys"

> Let's not forget weeve is doing federal time for running a script to download email addresses from a public website. And claiming he was going to sell them. Why leave out the whole truth?

Because that isn't true at all.

Re: Pirate Bay co-founder charged with hacking and fraud

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Post by tyohn »

mongol wrote: post #42
draugadrotten wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Penalties in the Swedish justice system are humane. Even serious crimes only renders 5-10 years of prison time. Conditions in prisons are far better than the US. Prisoners have private rooms, gym and better food than elderly citizens. The US system have far too severe penalties. Sentences of 10-100 years are now common. Conditions in prisons are horrible with rampant drug abuse, violence and even murders. However, th…

Yes, Sweden has "fri bevisföring". And why not? If evidence proves that someone is a criminal, it is not less true it was retrieved by controversial means. "Fri bevisföring" means that the court makes the decision whether the evidence is valid, based on circumstances in the case in question.

Where would you draw the line? Why not simply monitor and track everyone everywhere all the time because hey they if they did something wrong then you'd be good to go with the proof... and we all know if you don't do anything criminal you don't have anything to hide...

Re: Pirate Bay co-founder charged with hacking and fraud

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Post by johansch »

white_devil wrote: post #18
sergiotapia wrote: post #3

>hacking into several Swedish companies and stealing personal data Are these allegations true? If so, I don't think this man deserves sympathies. The punishment may be too harsh in my opinion for these type of crimes, but they are crimes nonetheless.

It's bullshit propaganda, and the charges are just as valid as Assange's rape charges, courtesy of the same corrupt government. The US entertainment industry wants to make an example of him. >> He was also charged with hacking into the computer servers of Logica, a Swedish company that handles tax documents. "Oh noes! Don't hack our taxes !!" Logica is a big, bloated IT services company that makes (shitty) custom sof…

Logica is indeed shitty (they mostly employ second rate people in my experience; at least in Sweden), but in my mind that only makes it more likely that Gottfrid/anakata was able to hack into their systems.

Re: Pirate Bay co-founder charged with hacking and fraud

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Post by trotsky »

pathy wrote: post #19
white_devil wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>> I'm from Sweden and I'm very sad to say that I don't consider Sweden to fulfil all the requirements for rule of law and legal security. [Citation Neeeded] What kind of "citation" would you expect? The Swedish government to tell you they're dirty?

I would like citations on the fact that Sweden doesn't fulfill the requirement for rule of law and legal security A random google search revealed this site: http://worldjusticeproject.org/rule-law-index-map A quick look suggests that the rule of law in Sweden is among the highest in the world. But if you got any sources on the contrary I would be happy to read them.

html version of the document in english via google translate:

http://trotsky.github.io/AM_52124/

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