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Training like Tesla: An Experiment of the Mind

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Re: Training like Tesla: An Experiment of the Mind

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Based on the friends and family that likes to bounce engineering ideas off me, it seems that a lot of people's imaginations are too optimistic -- we end up going in circles with what inevitably becomes the trade-offs or limitations in the design because they envision a "perfect" solution and contradict themselves as they try to get around it. It's frustrating for them when I start committing things to paper in front…

That's where you need to implement your ideas and see what works and what doesn't. If you are the type of person that needs to know the truth and can't cover it up and hide from it then your imagination will eventually adjust to reality (as long as you are getting good feedback).

For me, I like the example of creating music, or even coming up with jokes. If you only imagine music or jokes you will never know if they are good or bad and you will just keep getting more imaginative but in an unrealistic way. As soon as you actually write that song, and tell that joke then you get actual feedback. It's the feedback that you need to calibrate your imagination.

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It is important to have a wild imagination to generate wild ideas. But this will lead to insanity unless you takes these wild ideas and refine them. You have to continually iterate, going over your imaginative ideas and asking why they will not work. You have to apply rigor and reason over and over again until the wild idea starts to take shape into something new and useful.

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It is important to have a wild imagination to generate wild ideas. But this will lead to insanity unless you takes these wild ideas and refine them. You have to continually iterate, going over your imaginative ideas and asking why they will not work. You have to apply rigor and reason over and over again until the wild idea starts to take shape into something new and useful.

I completely agree and intend to do just that. The imagination Tesla describes in his autobiography is one that translates very well into the real world. Maintaining that quality and cohesion with the real world is on of the primary metrics I'll be measuring against.

Thanks for the input!

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Based on the friends and family that likes to bounce engineering ideas off me, it seems that a lot of people's imaginations are too optimistic -- we end up going in circles with what inevitably becomes the trade-offs or limitations in the design because they envision a "perfect" solution and contradict themselves as they try to get around it. It's frustrating for them when I start committing things to paper in front…

I love ideas and I love being passionate about them. When it comes to actual implementation, I'm a pretty pessimistic fellow. Thus, I'll attempt to apply the same rigor here.

My goal is to actual develop a somewhat realistic imagination. That being said, I want to be able to turn it on and off. Dreaming unrealistic scenarios is half the fun, right?

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Wow. My experience is drastically different than yours. I've almost always thought of things through mental imagery. It comes naturally to me (which really helped in calculus 3, haha). I can say that with confidence. Thanks for the link. I wonder how many non-visualizers are out there, too.

Sounds wonderful. The odd thing is that I can imagine what it would be like to have the sort of visual imagination that would be helpful in calculus. Unfortunately it turns out that imagined imagination is worthless for calculus.

Haha. Imagine-ception.

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OP here. Strange with upvotes but no discussion. I'm curious if anyone has tried anything like this before? I'd love some guidance or thoughts.

>I'm curious if anyone has tried anything like this before? I'd love some guidance or thoughts. This is proving quite hard to articulate as I try to find a way to visualize it. To me... Thoughts are like threads to follow and your wall is faceted shell. Each of these facets carries a kind of gravity which pulls on your thread. Facets you have accepted without understanding appear solid, a barrier. When you run into o…

Are you in the Bay Area? We should grab a drink or hang out. You just dove into an extremely similar theory I have.

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It is important to have a wild imagination to generate wild ideas. But this will lead to insanity unless you takes these wild ideas and refine them. You have to continually iterate, going over your imaginative ideas and asking why they will not work. You have to apply rigor and reason over and over again until the wild idea starts to take shape into something new and useful.

I completely agree and intend to do just that. The imagination Tesla describes in his autobiography is one that translates very well into the real world. Maintaining that quality and cohesion with the real world is on of the primary metrics I'll be measuring against. Thanks for the input!

Make sure that you goal is worthy of your time and energy. Seek to create something that will help you, other people, or will increase humanities knowledge of the world. Otherwise, you are wasting your life.

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I have never been able to consciously visualize (meaning: think in visual mental images). All of my conscious thought is in the auditory mode, though I know what it would be like to visualize as it happens occasionally in a dream. I have always wished more than anything to have such experiences while fully conscious (to see my mother's face and so on). There has been a fairly longstanding debate in philosophy and psy…

Thank you for this. Even though I consider myself pretty average now you've made me feel like I have some secret power. It helps a lot when I visualize things. Also, writing ideas out in a narrative also helps. So, I guess I can do both. Genius Here!!! (Standing up, wide eyed, looking proud with an idiotic smile) p.s. I don't actually believe that you cannot visualize images. Can you draw a stick human figure? Did it…

It's frustrating when people suggest I can visualize and just don't know it. The way one thinks is the most first-personally obvious thing in the world, and I've been sore about the way I do it since I was in elementary school wanting to imagine strawberries to count with.

Despite the literature I never accuse visualizers of the reverse (ie that you only think you have mental images), but when I do challenge incredulous friends about their phenomenology some discover it's actually much less pictoral than they'd believed: eg, "imagine a tiger, how many stripes?" or "imagine an ant crawling across a checkered picnic table toward a jar of grape jelly, what color square is it on now? what about now?" or "imagine a 3x3 word matrix whose rows read 'too', 'aid', 'ole' -- read the column words straight off without sounding out or going letter by letter". Granted, others can do these with an ease that amazes me.

"Can you draw a stick human figure? Did it pop into your head when I mentioned stick human figure? There you go, you just visualized it."

Yes I can draw a stick figure. I'm not an idiot, and nothing pops into my head other than the sound of the word and some xkcd affect.

Meanwhile, it astounds me that a single picture can pop into your head: how do you know what position to put the stick figure in -- akimbo, Thinker? Imagine a flower -- ok, which, a rose or a marigold? Do you decide or does it just happen? How many different flowers can you visualize, and how quickly? Do they appear embedded in soil or just floating free? How many different varieties can you see at once? What prevents you from seeing more?

Re: dyslexia -- I drew this link too, as I have very mild dyslexia. My father is profoundly dyslexic but claims vivid imagery.

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