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Wikileaks release "PlusD": Database of 1.7 million diplomatic cables

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Re: Wikileaks release "PlusD": Database of 1.7 million diplomatic cables

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Post by singular »

rdtsc wrote: post #13
joering2 wrote: post #4

Am I the only one genuinely afraid of clicking any of cables with keyword SECRET ?

If you have a clearance you should absolutely not be clicking on it (if you are also paranoid and don't want to possibly fail your polygraph test -- "have you accessed or downloaded classified documents on your personal computer...?" er...oops). Otherwise if you don't hold a clearance, I don't think they can do anything to you (however, I am not a lawyer so don't take this as a legal advice etc etc...)

Actually don't worry too much about the polygraph, it's complete pseudoscience. http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Polygraph

Re: Wikileaks release "PlusD": Database of 1.7 million diplomatic cables

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Post by roel_v »

starik36 wrote: post #35
jmcgough wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"The original series, which ran from 1971 to 1977, was so popular in Romania it was broadcast there twice a week. When ``Columbo`` stopped production in the U.S., suspicious Romanians thought their government had canceled the show because of import quotas. Fearing riots, the Romanian government begged the U.S. State Department to have the show`s star, Peter Falk, make a public-service announcement explaining the real…

That's hilarious. Columbo was my grandfather's favorite show on Hungarian TV back in the day. Every episode was absolutely perfectly lip synced - you couldn't even tell that Hungarian wasn't the original language.

"Every episode was absolutely perfectly lip synced - you couldn't even tell that Hungarian wasn't the original language."

OT, but do you know anything about how that worked? Surely in another language, the form of the lips while speaking is different, not to mention the length of sentences, double entendres that are impossible to translate, etc?

Re: Wikileaks release "PlusD": Database of 1.7 million diplomatic cables

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Post by robryan »

eLobato wrote: post #40
tokenadult wrote: post #18

I have an American friend (we met when we were both living overseas) who has been all over the world because he works for the international travel industry. He hasn't lived in the United States for at least a decade. If I remember correctly, he hasn't even visited the United States for at least four years. He and I have both long been skeptics about the United States Department of State and especially the Foreign Ser…

It's funny you mention this when a lot of these cables show how the US government was pressuring the Spanish government to join NATO and more recently to legislate in favor of the American media lobby. Obviously it's both parties fault, but I don't particularly like when my country and the people who are supposed to be my representatives are constantly subject to American wishes. They are definitely polite, but their…

They are operating in their own interests. I would expect Spain to also being doing this, obviously some countries hold more sway than others.

Re: Wikileaks release "PlusD": Database of 1.7 million diplomatic cables

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Post by rimantas »

espeed wrote: post #32
patdennis wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The modern cables are from a single source, and that source is in a military prison.

Bradley Manning Admits to Being Wikileaks Source ( http://mashable.com/2013/02/28/bradley-manning-reveals-how-a... )

He was nominated for Nobel Peace Prize. Can someone explain the logic behind this? In Nobel's will it is said:

  > one part to the person who shall have done the most or the best
  > work for fraternity between nations, the abolition or reduction
  > of standing armies and for the holding and promotion of peace
  > congresses
If Manning/Wikileaks did anything of this nature, I missed it a big way :(

Re: Wikileaks release "PlusD": Database of 1.7 million diplomatic cables

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Post by dagw »

rimantas wrote: post #44
espeed wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Bradley Manning Admits to Being Wikileaks Source ( http://mashable.com/2013/02/28/bradley-manning-reveals-how-a... )

He was nominated for Nobel Peace Prize. Can someone explain the logic behind this? In Nobel's will it is said: > one part to the person who shall have done the most or the best > work for fraternity between nations, the abolition or reduction > of standing armies and for the holding and promotion of peace > congresses If Manning/Wikileaks did anything of this nature, I missed it a big way :(

Can someone explain the logic behind this

The nomination process is very open and hundreds of nominations are sent in every year, most of them by people who want to make some political point. There are no formal requirements that nominees actually have to have done anything to deserve the prize.

Re: Wikileaks release "PlusD": Database of 1.7 million diplomatic cables

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Post by Samuel_Michon »

roel_v wrote: post #42
starik36 wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's hilarious. Columbo was my grandfather's favorite show on Hungarian TV back in the day. Every episode was absolutely perfectly lip synced - you couldn't even tell that Hungarian wasn't the original language.

"Every episode was absolutely perfectly lip synced - you couldn't even tell that Hungarian wasn't the original language." OT, but do you know anything about how that worked? Surely in another language, the form of the lips while speaking is different, not to mention the length of sentences, double entendres that are impossible to translate, etc?

Using ADR and creative translation teams. To fit the words with lip movements, dialogue could be quite different from the original while retaining the overall plot.

“In Hungary, practically all television programmes are dubbed, as are about 50 percent of movies in theaters. In the socialist era, every one of them was dubbed with professional and mostly popular actors. Great care was taken to make sure the same voice actor would lend his voice to the same actor. In the early 1990s, as cinemas tried to keep up with showing newly released films, subtitling became dominant in cinema. This, in turn, forced TV channels to make their own cheap versions of dubbed soundtracks for the movies they presented, resulting in a constant degrading of dubbing quality. Once this became customary, cinema distributors resumed the habit of dubbing for popular productions, presenting them in a quality varying from very poor to average. However, every single feature is presented with the original soundtrack in at least one cinema in large towns and cities.”

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dubbing_(filmmaking)#Countries_...

Re: Wikileaks release "PlusD": Database of 1.7 million diplomatic cables

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Post by EdiX »

roel_v wrote: post #42
starik36 wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's hilarious. Columbo was my grandfather's favorite show on Hungarian TV back in the day. Every episode was absolutely perfectly lip synced - you couldn't even tell that Hungarian wasn't the original language.

"Every episode was absolutely perfectly lip synced - you couldn't even tell that Hungarian wasn't the original language." OT, but do you know anything about how that worked? Surely in another language, the form of the lips while speaking is different, not to mention the length of sentences, double entendres that are impossible to translate, etc?

> but do you know anything about how that worked? Surely in another language, the form of the lips while speaking is different

It will be different but unless you read lips or pay close attention you won't notice it (too much). IIRC dub translators try to match end vowels of sentences.

> not to mention the length of sentences

A good adaptation will account for that and translate for matching durations.

> double entendres that are impossible to translate

That's not a problem unique to dubbing. When a joke is impossible to translate it isn't. Good translators will compensate for dropped jokes by adding other jokes when possible. Translated comedy is rarely good.

Re: Wikileaks release "PlusD": Database of 1.7 million diplomatic cables

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Post by lucian1900 »

roel_v wrote: post #42
starik36 wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's hilarious. Columbo was my grandfather's favorite show on Hungarian TV back in the day. Every episode was absolutely perfectly lip synced - you couldn't even tell that Hungarian wasn't the original language.

"Every episode was absolutely perfectly lip synced - you couldn't even tell that Hungarian wasn't the original language." OT, but do you know anything about how that worked? Surely in another language, the form of the lips while speaking is different, not to mention the length of sentences, double entendres that are impossible to translate, etc?

It is often non-obvious, but possible to find either a direct translation or a very similar idiom. This is very hard work, which is why most dubbing sucks. So I'd rather do without.

Re: Wikileaks release "PlusD": Database of 1.7 million diplomatic cables

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Post by kriro »

rimantas wrote: post #44
espeed wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Bradley Manning Admits to Being Wikileaks Source ( http://mashable.com/2013/02/28/bradley-manning-reveals-how-a... )

He was nominated for Nobel Peace Prize. Can someone explain the logic behind this? In Nobel's will it is said: > one part to the person who shall have done the most or the best > work for fraternity between nations, the abolition or reduction > of standing armies and for the holding and promotion of peace > congresses If Manning/Wikileaks did anything of this nature, I missed it a big way :(

One could argue that a removal of secrecy and a trend towards transparency are major forces on the road towards a more peaceful world. One could of course also argue the opposite point.

Either way he took a major personal risk and stepped up for what he thought was the right thing to do. Even if you don't agree with what that thing is it is already a pretty good indicator to get by the "first round" imo

It's basically a PR price for political gamesmanship anyways (imo)

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