Earlier quoted context omitted.
Maybe. This is a tough point. The 'system' obviously sucks but I don't want to skirt personal responsibility. It's the upper-middle class straight white cisgendered male's fault if he doesn't take the time to learn about his privilege. He has the resources, but chooses to ignore it. (Note: I'm not saying the person from the article necessarily fits this description; I'm speaking more generally)
It's the upper-middle class straight white cisgendered male's fault if he doesn't take the time to learn about his privilege. He has the resources, but chooses to ignore it. What's in it for him?
We call ourselves innovators, but most of us are really just iterators
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Re: We call ourselves innovators, but most of us are really just iterators
#42I know this is the smallest part I could take out of the post.. but Fremont - Ghetto? Maybe OP meant East Palo Alto, or Oakland, but IMO Fremont is one of the safest, homey places to live in the Bay Area. But then again, maybe I'm hanging out on that "One Block" - But I guess that block encompasses 12mi^2 :-). More on topic - I wouldn't agree completely. Some startups are new completely, some are building things a li…
Re: We call ourselves innovators, but most of us are really just iterators
#43Earlier quoted context omitted.
Correction: zero tolerance for a system they've spent their entire lives within that never taught them the right way to think about their position in society.
Maybe. This is a tough point. The 'system' obviously sucks but I don't want to skirt personal responsibility. It's the upper-middle class straight white cisgendered male's fault if he doesn't take the time to learn about his privilege. He has the resources, but chooses to ignore it. (Note: I'm not saying the person from the article necessarily fits this description; I'm speaking more generally)
(I'm reading that you posit that, perhaps I misinterpreted)
If I read that correctly, under what strictures do you interpret reading about the idea of privilege (noting that this word in and of itself has contested and differing meanings) as a moral obligation?
Re: We call ourselves innovators, but most of us are really just iterators
#44> A few months ago, a startup developer friend said to me "I don't understand why poor kids, ghetto kids, don't do startups to get out of poverty." I've got just about zero tolerance left for people who don't acknowledge their privilege.
Actually, poor kids start more startups that rich kids but access to money and network is very limited. I do think that "Y Combinator for kids-from-poor-families" might be even more successful that Y Combinator.
Re: We call ourselves innovators, but most of us are really just iterators
#45That's a fine line. The most significant innovations are often iterations. (Google comes to mind.)
Why do we do this? Because we want to get rich, of course.
I disagree with "Because we want to get rich". And I definitely disagree with "of course". Real hackers do this because we just have to. It just so happens that currently it's also a great way to make money. Many of us hacked long before it was this way and many of us still hack for little or nothing (side projects, open source, etc.)
But technologists used to work on big problems.
We still do, probably more than ever. But if you're busy reading Techcrunch and going to conferences and hackathons, you'd probably never know about what the other 99% of us are doing.
They did it because technology is about improving the human condition...
There are many ways to do this, all with relative importance. Putting a man on the moon was definitely cool, but so is getting fresh produce to your supermarket (which probably benefits more people). Like a football team, we hackers all do our part in the blocking, tackling, running, throwing, catching, and scoring. It all counts.
Just a few of the things I've contributed to in the past few years ("sexy" is in the eye of the beholder):
- people get the right prescription medication on time
- firetrucks and ambulances get to where they're supposed to be
- parts that go into cars and planes are properly certified
- prisoners are kept in jail
- those same prisoners get proper medical care
- electronic equipment gets assembled properly and on time
- medical supplies get dispatched to where they're supposed to
- insurance claims are processed properly
- quality data is properly maintained for food itemsRe: We call ourselves innovators, but most of us are really just iterators
#46 But technologists used to work on big problems.
Many still do. And some technologists used to work on small problems, and some still do. There never was a perfect time in which every technologist ran around working on the Biggest Problem They Could Find.Re: We call ourselves innovators, but most of us are really just iterators
#47Find me a way to get rid of the absurd 3% worldwide tax that Visa, Amex, Mastercard take on every payment for almost NO added value (well there was added value 30 years ago, but today ?) and then, OK, let's call this innovation.
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#48Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's the upper-middle class straight white cisgendered male's fault if he doesn't take the time to learn about his privilege. He has the resources, but chooses to ignore it. What's in it for him?
Growth, and positive interaction with the rest of the world?
Parent post was right for a good number of people.
Re: We call ourselves innovators, but most of us are really just iterators
#49We call ourselves innovators, but most of us are really just iterators... That's a fine line. The most significant innovations are often iterations. (Google comes to mind.) Why do we do this? Because we want to get rich, of course. I disagree with "Because we want to get rich". And I definitely disagree with "of course". Real hackers do this because we just have to . It just so happens that currently it's also a grea…
Re: We call ourselves innovators, but most of us are really just iterators
#50> A few months ago, a startup developer friend said to me "I don't understand why poor kids, ghetto kids, don't do startups to get out of poverty." I've got just about zero tolerance left for people who don't acknowledge their privilege.
But they do. Let me explain. I grew up in a barrio , which is a latin ghetto. Junked cars in front lawns, domestic disturbances every night, shootings, drugs, all of that stuff. Every kid in there made money by pure hustle. There were no jobs available for any of us. Some kids cut hair (then went on to become barbers), others worked on cars, but most sold drugs. There were startups, but all were of the illegal variet…
There's a quote I remember from somewhere about this that was something along the lines of "When you give someone two bad options, don't be surprised when they take one."