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Re: Startup Australia

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Surely this guy doesn't think the answer is to vote in the liberals who will shut down the fibre to the home goal of the NBN? Is that really a good way to advance Australia's startups?

That's besides the point. FTTH is overkill and is absolutely not a requirement to build a technology industry. How is fibre going to a small town like Burnie in the middle of Tasmania going to encourage the creation of technology startups when its users are going to be technologically uneducated in the first place? What will most likely happen is all that bandwidth (paid by taxpayers) will most likely be used for Tor…

Tasmania is used for a testcase because it is a great 'micro-version' of Australia. So potential issues that arise can be dealt with at a scale of 500,000 rather than 20,000,000.

> Burnie in the middle of Tasmania going to encourage the creation of technology startups when its users are going to be technologically uneducated in the first place? What will most likely happen is all that bandwidth (paid by taxpayers) will most likely be used for Torrenting music, warez, movies and porn.

I'll paraphrase your words: Poor/socio-economically disadvantaged people don't deserve nice things, because they are too poor to understand them. Politicians are short sighted for ignoring the rich middle class.

You're view point is exactly WHY the NBN should be rolled out.

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Lack of enrollment in IT and entrepreneurship is a symptom of the culture, really. You've got tall poppy syndrome combined with protectionism that makes shooting for the easy low-risk stuff desirable... trades pay insanely well due to strong unions and tight immigration policy, for example.

IT is not a admirable career here at all, Medicine, Law and Engineering are the good careers that pay well and are generally respected, but IT is looked down upon big time over here. Its a shame really, but to most IT is tech support (I know many computer science grads who are on minimium wage tech support)

There's a huge difference between IT and software engineering, and using IT as the umbrella term is really doing us a disservice.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I really hope that sanity will prevail there when they get in (but by Abbot and Turnbul's comments, it may not be likely)... I mean, a big part of their plan is to not do anything in areas that have HFC currently, even though that cable is so over-subscribed that you don't get decent speeds in peak hour, and many apartment blocks just don't have access to it. So under the Coalition's plan, most people won't get even…

Could you please explain how NBN will pay for itself? Not to mention, NBN Corp. will not be any different monopoly from Telstra Wholesale. And regarding speeds, how is NBN going to solve that? Australia doesn't even have enough international throughput in the current network. NBN will make speeds even worst as the demand will only increase. The bottleneck here is not copper, it is international capacity. What's the p…

> What's the point of replacing copper if the weakest link of the network remains.

Typical selfish attitude.

What clearly you don't understand is that for a large percentage of the population the weakest link IS the copper network. They don't connect at 24Mbps. I personally know people who connect as low as 1Mbps. So what good is a faster international link to them ?

And there are huge benefits internally if everyone has a super fast connection especially for anything that involves face to face communication e.g. those in remote, rural areas.

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Surely this guy doesn't think the answer is to vote in the liberals who will shut down the fibre to the home goal of the NBN? Is that really a good way to advance Australia's startups?

Barrie is arguing that the Gillard government is increasingly going to restrict an Australian startup's ability to hire the people it needs to succeed. When that happens, what good will faster internet in rural areas do?

How is your statement related to your question?

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There are two distinct points here that are being a bit muddled. The first is the 457 visa issue. For those that don't know, it is a skilled immigration visa, similar to the H1B in the United States. Australia is coming up to an election in September where the sitting center-left Prime Minister is very likely to lose her Prime Ministership to the center-right party.

To sure up her base on the left yesterday she came out and attacked the 457 visa and said that they needed to be more tightly regulated, since they are being exploited by some and are taking jobs away from Australians.

Prominent Australian entrepreneurs came out in support of the visa, and argued that you can't grow a new information economy without the importation of skilled labour to make up for the shortfall in local skills. This was the biggest national news item yesterday.

As an analogy, imagine if Obama came out in support of lowering H1B visa's or restricting their use, and the shit that would cause.

The second issue here, which Matt also takes on by attaching it to the first, is what a lot of people in the startup world feel is a disadvantage that the Australian startup ecosystem has over its US, Israeli etc. counterparts. This argument has been playing out for years now, to not a lot of effect.

I think there is a contradiction in this argument, when you combine the two together. On the one hand you are asking the government to leave you alone and let you import labour, but on the other hand you are asking them to do something about the lack of venture investment, the lack of skills, university places, etc.

I think the later argument of asking the government to do something to assist startups stems from a misunderstanding of how silicon valley works and why it became successful. This misidentification leads to a feeling that with one or two changes you could 'clone' what has made silicon valley a success, which is not true.

The attitude in Silicon Valley has always been to be left alone by the government. The tech industry in the USA is grossly underrepresented in Washington lobby groups (only recently have Google, Apple and Microsoft invested more in lobbying as their businesses broaden and intersect areas where government has more control, such as spectrum).

Further to that, Australia ranks well in most global indicies for business startup, running a business and open markets. We actually outrank the USA in ability to start a company, and we rank about even in other business friendliness metrics[0].

I think Australia's major problem is cultural. We have a fear of failure, a lack of entrepreneurial spirit, and a severe tall poppy syndrome (all of which I have experienced first hand - ironically from some of the very people who are most vocal about wanting to make Australia more like Silicon Valley).

These should be a clear indication that the "problem" with the Australian startup scene (if there is one, I don't think there is) is not the cause or fault of the government.

I think Matt would have been better served here to focus his argument on the 457 issue, using the same arguments he has (such as Australia won't always have things to dig out of the ground), but leaving the other issues alone for now.

[0] http://www.gfmag.com/tools/global-database/economic-data/118...

Re: Startup Australia

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Not so sure if I agree with the comment about not being able to hire developers. I think it could be better said "We are unable to hire developers for the price we want to pay". I am going to take up the offer to email and see how it goes... but I would be surprised if I get an offer which pays enough to actually live in Sydney. I recently went hunting for jobs and my experience was less then stellar. Many companies…

"... for the price we want to pay" isn't accurate.

I have an advert out at the moment for PHP dev in Melbourne that clearly states we want to pay top dollar.

I'm still only getting applications from web developers who happen to know enough PHP to make them dangerous.

Of the applicants, only four are reasonably interesting.

Three of them are here on 457s.

Re: Startup Australia

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A lot of the VC funds that have launched in the past few years are actually seeded by government funds. Not a model that lends itself to genuine risk taking. Just imagine the headlines: TEN MILLION WASTED ON PHONE APPS I live in Perth. Fellow ex-UWA folks of my acquaintance have the same complaint as me, which is as follows: Perth has buckets and buckets of capital. This town is stupidly flush with cash. And Perth's…

Why should they? It's not what they know. People who have big wins in tech startups generally don't invest in mining ventures for the same reason.

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A lot of the VC funds that have launched in the past few years are actually seeded by government funds. Not a model that lends itself to genuine risk taking. Just imagine the headlines: TEN MILLION WASTED ON PHONE APPS I live in Perth. Fellow ex-UWA folks of my acquaintance have the same complaint as me, which is as follows: Perth has buckets and buckets of capital. This town is stupidly flush with cash. And Perth's…

Why should they? It's not what they know. People who have big wins in tech startups generally don't invest in mining ventures for the same reason.

Because I have the primeval Australian political instinct:

Somebody has lots of money, they bloody well ought give me some!

:D

Re: Startup Australia

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Surely this guy doesn't think the answer is to vote in the liberals who will shut down the fibre to the home goal of the NBN? Is that really a good way to advance Australia's startups?

That's besides the point. FTTH is overkill and is absolutely not a requirement to build a technology industry. How is fibre going to a small town like Burnie in the middle of Tasmania going to encourage the creation of technology startups when its users are going to be technologically uneducated in the first place? What will most likely happen is all that bandwidth (paid by taxpayers) will most likely be used for Tor…

I don't say this lightly but you really are an idiot.

The idea that innovation can only come from certain areas is completely baseless. The idea that people in countries towns like Burnie have no use for NBN other than music, warez, porn is offensive. And your concept of wealth "trickling down" has been shown time and time again to never happen.

And the NBN is being rolled out everywhere so not sure where you get this ridiculous vote buying concept from.

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A lot of the VC funds that have launched in the past few years are actually seeded by government funds. Not a model that lends itself to genuine risk taking. Just imagine the headlines: TEN MILLION WASTED ON PHONE APPS I live in Perth. Fellow ex-UWA folks of my acquaintance have the same complaint as me, which is as follows: Perth has buckets and buckets of capital. This town is stupidly flush with cash. And Perth's…

> You can go a long way with sensible, basic policy settings.

A pity then that Australia's federal and state government policies (negative gearing, first home buyers grants, interest only mortgages for investors etc. etc.) have done so much to pump up the real estate market into such a huge speculative bubble than will do untold damage when it finally pops.

It's insane what Australians are expected to pay for basic housing in one of the world's most lightly populated countries/continents. Here's an example picked at random: http://www.realestate.com.au/property-house-vic-north+melbou.... 3 bedroom terrace house (i.e., no windows in side walls) in North Melbourne, 1 bathroom, no parking, all yours for a mere $775k at 6.5% mortgage rates.

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