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Resources for depressed hackers are pretty poor. You hear of burnout, chronic fatigue, moving someplace isolated -- but rarely the "d-word" in hacker circles. Offering your story is a great start. There's a "Geeks and Depression" list you may be interested in.

Resources for depressed hackers are pretty poor.

For hackers suffering from depression, please don't resist getting help because you can't find resources specifically for hackers.

In the case of support groups, it's nice to be with people who share a similar background as you. But I think you'll find that the shared experience with depression will massively overcome what shared experience you lack on the job or as a hobby.

Please get help. It's not an exaggeration to say it could be the difference between life and death. The path downward is often a long, gentle slope. While you're on it, it feels like flat ground. You don't realize you've hit the lowest elevation until... well, you just stop walking.

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#42
Hi! I am really glad to read this. I remember your first post, and wanted to send you an email, but felt that I didn't have much to say and finally I didn't send it.

If you want to give something back, I would suggest to post what you did to beat your depression, it will probably help someone who goes through a similar situation.

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#43
Hi there - I am happy to see you assert yourself and come back to the community with such a positive voice. Thank you for being open to the attention people have given you. Don't worry about giving back, but look forward to it. The idea will come to you and you will know immediately that it is the right one. Believe in yourself, and keep f*ing hacking.

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#44
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Pills are just one part of a solution. Proper framing of your routine is important. Goal-oriented training is also good. Lack of focus is our dilemma. Everything that gets us on a track and keeps us there is beneficial.

I used to use Google Tasks, and then that became a data dump of information and ideas of what to do next (personally) and what to do next (business wise) on top of what to do next (on specific projects and different projects). Then I switched to gqueues, then some other to dos that I don't remmeber, I think the standard one that comes on the iPod and other ones..the last one I used was any.do + some sort of combinati…

I so totally relate to your way of thinking. For me it was Google Cal and Android sync. The droid was simply an extension of the web interface pinging me with things to do and where to go.

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#45
>Found a help network for hackers, somehow improve the current situation for crisis/suicide chats or something like that. So what do you think would improve the current situation of (depressed/suicidal) hackers.

I think one of the biggest problems here is that people with suicidal level depression lose all perspective and see the world as void of any possibility of escaping whatever box they feel trapped in. No way out or through, no light at the end of the tunnel, just trapped in a particular emotional state and perception of things. No way forward in life.

One of the best ways to help people through that is for those who have been through it to simply share, in detail, their own experience with it, how and why they felt trapped at the time, and how they made it through, and what ultimately solved it for them.

Simply demonstrate the possibility, with as much concrete detail as possible (which hackers particularly require), that there is a way through (a hack, even), that depression grossly skews your perspective of the world, and things are not as bad as they appear (especially for anyone living in a first world country and among the lucky few fluent in the empowering languages of technology).

Other options would be physically changing people's perspective by organizing some sort of multi-month aid mission to an impoverished country (maybe hook up with Engineers or Doctors Without Borders). Or alternatively a grueling, endorphin-generating Outward Bound type excursion. Anything to jolt people out of their current perspective of their relatively limited existence.

Finally, if it helps you could treat this whole idea as a startup, solving the particular problem of hacker depression. Use lean startup methodology, your hacker problem solving skills and mentality, look for hacks nobody has found yet. Document and blog it all, etc. Who knows where it might lead, but there's certainly an awareness of the problem thanks to high profile hacker suicides lately, and lots of people probably willing to help.

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#46
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No no no, OP doesn't have the resources... yet. You're supposed to put on your own oxygen mask before assisting others - there's a reason for that.

That's such a great analogy. And is absolutely correct. Depressives helping depressives is a great idea on its face, but falls down quickly when you haven't given yourself the opportunity for actual, serious stability before reaching out your own hand. The process of becoming healthy becomes much more complicated and difficult if you are trying to balance your own mental welfare with the welfare of others. I was once…

I couldn't keep up with it but http://lift.do/ has a habit streak and motivation by seeing other people keeping on tasks.

Depression comes from not keeping up on tasks and losing your streak. That's when you start questioning yourself and the cycle keeps happening. There is definitely a niche need for a mentoring / motivational network for depressed people. This whole thread, and your last one, plus the momentum that came with them is proof.

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#47
Getting back in touch with the community to update us on your progress is more than enough. It's great to hear that you have switched doctors, meds, and changed your life style. It's even better to hear you are feeling better. Even improvement that seems marginal are land slide accomplishments. It's a sign that you are on your way, you can see the light, and I hope it gives you hope. It surely gives me hope.

What I don't think you realize is that you have already done so much. That day your story hit the front page the community came together to support one of our own, you. This was huge. What's more is it brought depression to the front of our minds. On that day a few people may have hugged their wives a little tighter, asked their teenages how they have been doing... and actually listen. Not to mention the dozens of people who are also battling depression that would have acted on the advice given to you.

You've done so much, and you are doing so great. You have helped people with your story... even though they may not come forward and say it, I guarantee you did. I can tell you that your story restored my faith in this community, which so often gets caught up in some pretty silly arguments. For this, I thank you.

You've done so much, you've done so great, and you owe us nothing. Just focus on getting better, and hold onto this passion you seem to have for helping people who are in situations similar to yours. It will come in handy...

I could write forever, so I'm going to stop now.. but just one last thing. The world needs more people like you, not less. Hang in there.

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#48
First, let me say that I am so happy that the OP is doing better.

We'd love to join forces with the OP (and anyone else) to "found a help network for hackers." We actually have online discussion already planned on March 20 to begin this process:

http://workshops.cojourneo.com/workshops/Surviving-the-Start...

It features two "legends" who are uniquely experienced to guide these efforts: Parker J. Palmer & Jerry Colonna.

Everyone is invited. I'd love for the OP or anyone else to contact me at kevin@cojourneo.com if you'd like to join forces. We can make a difference together.

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#49

I went through the same thing. A support group works. What helps me the most is vitamins, water and exercise. I also stopped spiking caffeine (I take a time release capsule) and stopped drinking alcohol. Vitamins (every morning with food): Vitamin C 1000mg (energy and health) B-12 3000mcg (happy energy) Magnesium 400mg (focus and mood moderation ) Fish Oil - EPA 120mg + DHA 900mg (memory + mood moderation ) L-Carniti…

Yes, yes, yes a thousand times to stop drinking alcohol. My moods leveled out substantially once I stopped drinking. Granted, I have what is traditionally known as a problem with alcohol so YMMV, but from personal experience it's been the best decision I've made by far. (I could go on for paragraphs about alcohol and programming culture, but I'll shelve the off topic proselytizing for later.)

More important than anything else, if you're having depression issues, it's important to remember that you can always change your story. You're not locked into anything (well, most things) in your life. True, some things are harder to shed than others, but if you're depressed enough where it affects you on a monumental, daily basis, just remember you can change it. Stop engaging in activities that make you feel like shit. Cut acquaintances (even family) out of your life that bring you down. Drop out of life for awhile if you need to - the people who truly care about you will understand. Anything is ultimately better than the alternatives of a quick demise or a bleak existence, both for you (primarily) and the people around you.

It gets better is an overused cliche, but it holds some merit. You can make it better.

(on a side note, time release caffeine sounds incredible.)

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#50
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"I would love to give something back to you but I am not sure what that should be." I would worry about creating an obligation that would require you to have anxiety and other issues by not being able to fulfill the obligation. While it's nice and might make you feel good to give back it's hard to believe that it wouldn't be better to simply try to get yourself stronger without the obligation of doing for others. For…

Serving others is one of the best ways to get one's mind off oneself and combat depression. I would actually exhort you to commit to doing some kind of service / help for someone else. Start small. Thank you for sharing your story.

Want to echo this and also recommend reading the book, How to Win Friends and Influence People by Dale Carnegie, for some tactical advice on how to 'serve' others in small ways. Good luck!
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