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Twenty dollars in an envelope

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Re: Twenty dollars in an envelope

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I'd be interested in hearing more shareware stories. Did anyone else here have success selling shareware in the 80's and 90's?

So perhaps not much of a story, but the Amiga came out and the first (for me) compelling "dungeon crawler" game on it was Dungeon Master. I spent a lot of time on it, and as was my custom, kept notes in my notebook. Pretty soon I had a pretty complete set of maps for the place, which a friend of mine wanted a copy of. So I made copies of the pages of my notes but they were hard to interpret (except for me!) and disor…

I love this story! How old were you at the time? How did you "offer it up for others to buy?"

Re: Twenty dollars in an envelope

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So perhaps not much of a story, but the Amiga came out and the first (for me) compelling "dungeon crawler" game on it was Dungeon Master. I spent a lot of time on it, and as was my custom, kept notes in my notebook. Pretty soon I had a pretty complete set of maps for the place, which a friend of mine wanted a copy of. So I made copies of the pages of my notes but they were hard to interpret (except for me!) and disor…

I love this story! How old were you at the time? How did you "offer it up for others to buy?"

Hmm, lets see the Amiga came out in '84 so I was in my mid-twenties. I originally posted availability on comp.sys.amiga as I recall. That spread to a couple of Compuserve forums and to BIX[1]

[1] The BYTE Information eXchange which was a funny funny bulletin board running on a VAX.

Edit: Apparently still valid in 1989 :-) https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups=#!msg/rec.games.... although that isn't my address any more.

Re: Twenty dollars in an envelope

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In my final year of University I decided to write some basic shareware that was helpful in creating your own custom theme for the recently-new Windows 95. After completing the app I put it out there to the shareware community.

I attached a note to the program asking for $20 if you liked it. I was very clear with the program though that there were no additional benefits to registering other than a clean karma. The program was fully functional from day 1 and payment though highly appreciated was not necessary. Being the poor student that I was I also offered a great incentive to people - instead of sending me $20 they could photocopy $20 and just send me the scan. Yes, being a 20something about to graduate encouraged me to ask for money but I was still too scared to jump in fully.

The crazy thing was that I started getting cheques from all over the world - and received some really cool scans of foreign currency that I hung on the walls as art. I even had the strange experience of receiving a note from somebody who lived in the apartment across from me who found the program and wanted to thank me (he was a student too so no money but having somebody at my University send me a thank you was even better than a cheque would have been).

I'm glad I wrote the software and put it out there. Even though I didn't make enough to retire I had finally realized that working for yourself can be intensely rewarding in many ways.

(I also learned a valuable lesson that even big companies can have problems writing cheques sometimes - I had one very well known software company send me some free games rather than a cheque.)

Re: Twenty dollars in an envelope

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In my final year of University I decided to write some basic shareware that was helpful in creating your own custom theme for the recently-new Windows 95. After completing the app I put it out there to the shareware community.

I attached a note to the program asking for $20 if you liked it. I was very clear with the program though that there were no additional benefits to registering other than a clean karma. The program was fully functional from day 1 and payment though highly appreciated was not necessary. Being the poor student that I was I also offered a great incentive to people - instead of sending me $20 they could photocopy $20 and just send me the scan. Yes, being a 20something about to graduate encouraged me to ask for money but I was still too scared to jump in fully.

The crazy thing was that I started getting cheques from all over the world - and received some really cool scans of foreign currency that I hung on the walls as art. I even had the strange experience of receiving a note from somebody who lived in the apartment across from me who found the program and wanted to thank me (he was a student too so no money but having somebody at my University send me a thank you was even better than a cheque would have been).

I'm glad I wrote the software and put it out there. Even though I didn't make enough to retire I had finally realized that working for yourself can be intensely rewarding in many ways.

(I also learned a valuable lesson that even big companies can have problems writing cheques sometimes - I had one very well known software company send me some free games rather than a cheque.)

Re: Twenty dollars in an envelope

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In those days, two things: 1) The possiblility of "Oh, crap, I just bumped the decimal to the right, by accident, on 1000 customers." 2) The likelihood that someone would tell me that I was "a joke", to be charging money for my software. So, fear of rejection and fear of screwing up on the money side. Thankfully, there are billing services which eliminated #1 a few years ago, and that was probably the tipping point f…

Not to mention the fear of anger from free software advocates...

Surprisingly, yes, this is a thing, along with people who are anti-SEO. I speak as a convert from the church of anti-SEO, thanks to our mutual outspoken SaaS comrade in Japan.

Re: Twenty dollars in an envelope

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Don't drink the kool aid. There is still a lot of money being made. You don't hear about it because only an idiot would talk about his/her amazing sales.

Hmmm. Only an "idiot" would talk about sales? Patio11 - http://www.kalzumeus.com/2012/12/29/bingo-card-creator-and-o... Nathan Barry - http://nathanbarry.com/2012-year-quitting-job/ Brennan Dunn - http://planscope.io/blog/giving-up-a-million-dollar-consulta...

A handful of people from thousands who prefer to keep quiet. Plus only those who do talk about them do it to help themselves (as a marketing tool). Any time you talk about amazing sales you risk alerting your competition about your niche.

Re: Twenty dollars in an envelope

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So many people feel the same way. What was the scariest part about taking money from people?

I used to sell a small iOS app. For me, my biggest fear was not delivering value for the $2.99 someone paid me. It's dumb when I think about it logically because it's only $2.99, but I wanted anyone who paid to also be happy with their purchase. I will say though that people giving you money directly for something you built is a rush.

Among apps, $2.99 is quite high. The average price per app in the store is roughly $1.40, and the average selling price is likely less than 50 cents (I'm unsure, because reporting is only available for average overall price, not average sale price. However, logic dictates that, given that free apps are purchased with many times greater frequency than paid apps, the average sale price would be significantly lower than that average price.). Moreover, the median is free (due to the fact that ~90% of all apps are free.) So, because the price is inordinately high, there is undoubtedly a higher standard and more pressure to deliver value commensurate with the inflated price.

Re: Twenty dollars in an envelope

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post #10

People are happy to pay for things that are good. Don’t be afraid to charge for your services. "would pay", 5,200 results https://www.google.com/search?q=%22would+pay%22+site:news.yc... "wouldn't pay", 38,000 results https://www.google.com/search?q=%22wouldn%27t+pay%22+site:ne... (OK, so it's kind of a joke response, but the abundance of free software and services has really driven down the expectations around reason…

Those 38K people are irrelevant if the 5200 are paying you enough to live on.

Your mission in life is not to make everyone happy. This is impossible anyway. (and yeah, I know you are being half-serious)

Re: Twenty dollars in an envelope

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post #2

I'd be interested in hearing more shareware stories. Did anyone else here have success selling shareware in the 80's and 90's?

As an exercise in Windows programming I made a little alarm clock program called SuperAlarm that would use Winamp to play MP3s. I put in the readme that I liked Skittles and postcards; I got a number of postcards and one day I got a 1-pound bag of Skittles from someone in Canada. I still remember how great that felt even 15+ years later.

Haha, I found a screenshot of the app: http://www.softpedia.com/progScreenshots/SuperAlarm-Screensh...

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