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Re: Opera sends 90 out the door

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Why do you think they'll want to work for Mozilla "on the cheap"?

If a competitor fires people with the skills you need, the hiring process gets a lot easier and as such cheaper. It not necessarily means low wages, but more "easy grab".

"easy grab", exactly. Hiring ex Opera employees who worked on a rendering engine will be cheaper than hiring c++ coders who then have to ramp up knowledge on how to code a rendering engine.

Re: Opera sends 90 out the door

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Engineers that spent many years working on challenging problems in highly performance-critical areas of the core engine might not be all that interested in doing UI design on iOS.

I guess this depends on whether there will be more to Opera than a Chrome skin. Sigh.

Webkit ≠ Chrome. I think it's important that web developers do all they can to stop that idea becoming widespread, before people think all other browsers are just a knocked off version of Chrome.

Re: Opera sends 90 out the door

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Just curious, how do browser-only companies like Opera or Mozilla make money? I know Opera Mini used to be shipped with phones, but what other sources of revenue do they have?

They default the user to search engines. And add default bookmarks.

At a conservative average of $40K pa per employee, that's an annual staff bill of around $35M annually. The Firefox-Google deal is worth $300M annually, and their user base is 15x larger.

Add in other costs, and it's not hard to see that either they've got a huge source of other income or they are hemorrhaging cash.

Re: Opera sends 90 out the door

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I guess this depends on whether there will be more to Opera than a Chrome skin. Sigh.

Webkit ≠ Chrome. I think it's important that web developers do all they can to stop that idea becoming widespread, before people think all other browsers are just a knocked off version of Chrome.

Opera is basing its new browser on Chromium specifically, not just WebKit.

Re: Opera sends 90 out the door

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Direct link for those of us who can read Norwegian: http://www.digi.no/911787/opera-sendte-90-paa-doren

FWIW, there's also a "Show: original" button on the top right of the Translate page.

Greit nok, men da har man likevel en stor del av vinduet dekket av "Google Translate", i tillegg til de gigantiske bildene som norske nettaviser typisk bruker, før man kommer til artikkelen.

Re: Opera sends 90 out the door

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I wonder how many of these Mozilla will pickup on the cheap. Browser rendering engine seems such a specialized skill, where else could these people go?

Browser rendering engine skills directly translate to native front-end development skills, especially on mobile. Not to mention that writing an engine makes you an expert in the performance model pertaining to Web development—instead of having to guess how CSS properties perform like most people do, you just know.

Does being a MySQL hacker make you unqualified for Web app backend code or database administration? I don't think so.

Re: Opera sends 90 out the door

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I guess this depends on whether there will be more to Opera than a Chrome skin. Sigh.

Webkit ≠ Chrome. I think it's important that web developers do all they can to stop that idea becoming widespread, before people think all other browsers are just a knocked off version of Chrome.

...which is why I used the term "it depends". If they knock off Chrome, they don't need back-end C++ programmers. If they don't, they'll need them where they want to technically innovate.

But apparently, it really will be a Chrome knockoff now.

Re: Opera sends 90 out the door

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They default the user to search engines. And add default bookmarks.

At a conservative average of $40K pa per employee, that's an annual staff bill of around $35M annually. The Firefox-Google deal is worth $300M annually, and their user base is 15x larger. Add in other costs, and it's not hard to see that either they've got a huge source of other income or they are hemorrhaging cash.

Opera's accounting is public. Last I remember, they were profitable and were taking in significantly more per user than Mozilla.

http://media.opera.com/media/finance/2012/4Q12_presentation....

•Revenue growth of 39% (40% FX adjusted)

•Record revenue and strong profits

Re: Opera sends 90 out the door

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> "Those laid off are terrified to say anything publicly." I'm curious as to why? Norway doesn't seem like a place where people would fear their ex-employers.

It might not be the worst idea to secure a job, before you go ahead and dish on your former employer.

Come on.....saying publicly that you've been "laid off" doesn't mean you're dishing on the former employer.

Re: Opera sends 90 out the door

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They default the user to search engines. And add default bookmarks.

At a conservative average of $40K pa per employee, that's an annual staff bill of around $35M annually. The Firefox-Google deal is worth $300M annually, and their user base is 15x larger. Add in other costs, and it's not hard to see that either they've got a huge source of other income or they are hemorrhaging cash.

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