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Terrible news. This means basically giving up on standards-based compatibility. Not bad news for Opera - maybe good news for the browser - but an ominous sign on what the web is becoming.
I feel compelled to jump in and give a warning about Opera. I also know that the herd mind will probably pound my comment into oblivion, which is why I made a new account. Opera is scammy, unreliable software. DO NOT DO MISSION CRITICAL WORK WITH THIS BROWSER. It will flake out on you in so many uncanny ways its not funny. Also, Opera had the weird habit of becoming my default browser on my Win 7 machine repeatedly,…
I personally never had Opera become the default browser, nor did I have any other problems than compatibility with it (which is normal, given their market share). I also don't think the upvotes are fake.
So, why exactly "SHOULD WE NOT DO MISSION CRITICAL WORK WITH THIS BROWSER"?
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Back in the day, Netscape did a full rewrite between major versions. There's a Spolsky blog post about it: http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/fog0000000069.html Very interesting read.
This is totally different. They're not re-writing their application from scratch, but replacing a core component with a popular, well tested and widely support one.
We can hope that someday IE will make the move too.
Even sites like Udacity's course viewer did this (maybe they changed it, I haven't been there in a week).
So while Opera might be using the same rendering engine as Chrome, you'll still get locked out because web apps are setup to investigate user agents to determine who gets in.
I'm not sure if I like or dislike this change. I feel like testing sites between Opera, Chrome, FF and IE I had a better chance of eliminating all rendering bugs.
Opera I feel was/is the best candidate for ensuring your code was correct.
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I don't think Mozilla will ever switch. The reason why they've their own engine and try to keep a decent marketshare (which they do indeed have), is to be able to have a say on web standards, and the web in general. Having a say ensure there isn't a single voice taking decisions that led us to things like IE6. And we're actually starting to see IE6-ish stuff happening with webkit, as it's nearly the only rendering en…
I would think one vendor would be great for standards: it is the standard. It sucks for any kind of innovation, though, as IE6 shows incredibly well. Out if curiosity, what IE6-ish things do you see WebKit doing?
You mean like shipping various non-standard features and advertising them to web developers? Not like other engine's aren't doing similar things in various cases (though WebKit on iOS is shipping features Apple is actively opposing ever being standardized, backed by patent threats, which is a bit different from most browser vendors).
But the real issue is not what WebKit is doing, it's what web developers are doing. And the IE6-ish thing web developers are doing with WebKit is creating sites that deliberately only work in WebKit.
I feel compelled to jump in and give a warning about Opera. I also know that the herd mind will probably pound my comment into oblivion, which is why I made a new account. Opera is scammy, unreliable software. DO NOT DO MISSION CRITICAL WORK WITH THIS BROWSER. It will flake out on you in so many uncanny ways its not funny. Also, Opera had the weird habit of becoming my default browser on my Win 7 machine repeatedly,…
2. Herd-mind might apply for Chrome-Hipsters, but Opera is far from being mainstream. Sadly.
3. I'd love to have Opera as my default browser everywhere, but it just doesn't work that easily for me. Maybe you can share me your weird/unusual insights on how to apply a default browser for the entires win7 system, including all applications?
4. You must be doing something horribly wrong. I DO MISSION CRITICAL WORK WITH OPERA - all day long - for many many years.
5. Shame on you for creating a fake account. You deserve to be downvoted.
6. tl;dr is supposed to be _above_ the content.
I feel compelled to jump in and give a warning about Opera. I also know that the herd mind will probably pound my comment into oblivion, which is why I made a new account. Opera is scammy, unreliable software. DO NOT DO MISSION CRITICAL WORK WITH THIS BROWSER. It will flake out on you in so many uncanny ways its not funny. Also, Opera had the weird habit of becoming my default browser on my Win 7 machine repeatedly,…
The reason why you made a new account seems to be because you're not giving any arguments for your warning. Opinions with reasons are usually upvoted by HN. I personally never had Opera become the default browser, nor did I have any other problems than compatibility with it (which is normal, given their market share). I also don't think the upvotes are fake. So, why exactly "SHOULD WE NOT DO MISSION CRITICAL WORK WIT…