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Re: When a No means Yes

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SO I think we're almost having two separate arguments here. On the one hand we're talking about Mongo working out of the box and on the other we're talking about developer skill. I'll agree with you that an unskilled developer is going to have a bad time running any Database, but I take issue with the idea that defaults aren't important. The default settings are the defaults for a reason. Whether that reason is ease…

With the default settings in MySQL if you shut down an innodb database incorrectly you will loose data if not the entire table, should we vilify them for the same thing. I am not saying he is wrong, and i am not saying that mongo is wrong either. I feel, if you RTFM, that they are very very clear as to the state of things. They are not hiding anything and if anything they are providing and application state that is n…

> With the default settings in MySQL if you shut down an innodb database incorrectly you will loose data if not the entire table, should we vilify them for the same thing.

Yes, we should. I do not think shipping unsafe defaults is ok.

> I am not going to setup a new linux box without changing the root password

This is why most Linux installers prompt you for the password.

Re: When a No means Yes

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Does it matter? We do a pretty continuous 400k ops/s worth of Mongo, but I don't think that's necessarily going to fix anyone's issues with it.

400k ops/s? How many machines is that?

I can do it one one.

Re: When a No means Yes

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Headlines like this are the casual references that makes tech a boys club. You don't think you're doing any harm, but by distorting an important argument about rape, you're undermining the sentiment behind "No means no" even as you use it in a different context.

And of course the HN boys club doesn't see anything wrong with the headline. I expected nothing less :( Seriously, people: "No means yes" is a clear reference to "No means no". It's a really bad choice of headline, because it communicates "I don't care about issues that women are facing, if it gets me a catchy headline".

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Re: When a No means Yes

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post #41

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With the default settings in MySQL if you shut down an innodb database incorrectly you will loose data if not the entire table, should we vilify them for the same thing. I am not saying he is wrong, and i am not saying that mongo is wrong either. I feel, if you RTFM, that they are very very clear as to the state of things. They are not hiding anything and if anything they are providing and application state that is n…

> With the default settings in MySQL if you shut down an innodb database incorrectly you will loose data if not the entire table, should we vilify them for the same thing. Yes, we should. I do not think shipping unsafe defaults is ok. > I am not going to setup a new linux box without changing the root password This is why most Linux installers prompt you for the password.

> Yes, we should. I do not think shipping unsafe defaults is ok.

Isn't it the difference between shipping a product open enough and with enough barriers torn down to get the hobbyist hooked (drug dealers) and the expert will have a script to fix all those hols anyway. And agreed, shipping with unsafe defaults is bad for the expert but very very good for the novice.

> This is why most Linux installers prompt you for the password.

The key word there is MOST.

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