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Microsoft's ARM blunder: Why Windows RT was DOA

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Re: Microsoft's ARM blunder: Why Windows RT was DOA

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" RT is a long term strategy. It's not a tablet OS. It's the phone too, just not yet, fully.It's not targeted at consumers. It's targeted at enterprise. " Comments on the original article point out that Windows RT lacks outlook and active directory integration. Is that the case?

They are shipping an MVP. The first iPhones didn't have an AppStore, or 3G.

Looks like they missed the V (as in viable).

Re: Microsoft's ARM blunder: Why Windows RT was DOA

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That assumes that a compelling argument can be made that all the legacy stuff you have can be made to work with it. Which it can't. - No application you've written to date will run on it - No application you're now going to write will run on it without uploading it to the app-store and letting everybody else download it. - Your active-directory NT-domain user management will not be able to deal with these machines. -…

[My deleted post was along the lines that if you need IE6, you're SOL with any Microsoft upgrade path, and that their treatment of IE6 might be construed as an advantage - or disadvantage - when it comes to evaluating Microsoft's commitment to B2B customers]

When it comes to legacy application support, Windows RT is not at a disadvantage to iOS or Android. And it's not as if Google Docs is going to handle "macro-encrusted" documents any better.

For continuity, I'll repeat here what I have replied elsewhere. Microsoft could kludge RT to work with Exchange and NT-domain management. Or, they could develop those products robustly to meet a future filled with less powerful computing devices and sandboxed operating systems.

One is - well, a kludge. The other is a long term strategy.

Re: Microsoft's ARM blunder: Why Windows RT was DOA

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What's up with the repeated use of the term "fondleslab" here? Is that actual UK slang, or is the author just a weirdo? I could not concentrate on any points made in this article because the repeated use of that term was wildly offputting.

Use of a funny word is wildly offputting?

Reminds me of an ancient bit on HBO's "Not Necessarily the News"... guy in the dark complaining bitterly at the TV, they rush him out the door into the front yard, limping in bathrobe, his eyes squinting in the sunlight, narrator loudly proclaims "GO OUTSIDE!". ;)

Re: Microsoft's ARM blunder: Why Windows RT was DOA

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post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Xbox is "B2C", in a very big way. The impression I got was that it was intended for consumers. Why else would you only sell it in a Microsoft store? (I did see one in a Best Buy. It was buried in with the other tablets, while there was a shining white table with iPads a few feet away, with actual people around it fondling the merchandise). It's true that MS did give most of their full-time employees free Surfaces. I…

Microsoft have always eaten their own dogfood. That's where Server and Office and Project came from...and obviously, Visual Studio. Giving RT devices to employees continues this tradition. It's also evidence that this is an enterprise strategy, not B2C. I used Windows 2.0. I was using WordPerfect when the first versions of Word were being developed. Surface is an MVP. [edit] A Note about Xbox. The way Microsoft handl…

The Surface Rt is prefect when using RDP and Citrix.. It could use a higher resolution screen and maybe go down in price a bit... But it works pretty well as a thin client.

Re: Microsoft's ARM blunder: Why Windows RT was DOA

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What's up with the repeated use of the term "fondleslab" here? Is that actual UK slang, or is the author just a weirdo? I could not concentrate on any points made in this article because the repeated use of that term was wildly offputting.

Use of a funny word is wildly offputting? Reminds me of an ancient bit on HBO's "Not Necessarily the News"... guy in the dark complaining bitterly at the TV, they rush him out the door into the front yard, limping in bathrobe, his eyes squinting in the sunlight, narrator loudly proclaims "GO OUTSIDE!". ;)

"wildly" might be overstating it, but I find it gross. Same way some people just don't like the word "moist", I guess. I was curious where the word came from.

Anyhow, back to our regular discussions of what Fondleslabs are going to conquer the market in 2013.

Re: Microsoft's ARM blunder: Why Windows RT was DOA

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Businesses work on desktops and active directories. WinRT makes no sense on the desktop, and it offers no AD. So MS has nothing to offer here, B2B wise. They made a huge mistake, pretending that desktops and mobile devices are the same beast. And they're gonna pay for it, in sales and market value. At the end of 2013, they should be a even less relevant than today.

> At the end of 2013, they should be a even less relevant than today. At the moment, Microsoft own slightly less than 100% of the enterprise desktop market. At the end of 2013 they will almost certainly own slightly less than 100% of the enterprise desktop market. You live in a bubble.

Anecdote 1: I see iPads on trains to London as often as I see Thinkpads (and the odd Dell) now. That was not the case a few years ago. Trains to London arriving before 9am are pure business I can assure you (£130 return second class). A few Mac laptops in first class, solid Thinkpad/iPad and blue shirt territory in 2nd.

Anecdote 2: The middle managers where I work all have iPads and shared access to desktop PCs. They are using an rdp client on the iPads for access to some business applications. This has happened over the last two years.

Anecdote 3: Most people visiting my place of work to specify systems (heating; photocopying; interior decoration; networking; compliance with various standards) now have iPads. That has happened in the last 18 months.

No hard stats but I have noticed this change.

Re: Microsoft's ARM blunder: Why Windows RT was DOA

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If Microsoft was a B2C company, the article would be spot on. They are not, however, Apple. They are primarily B2B. Windows didn't come to dominate the desktop because consumers loved it. It dominates because it provides a value proposition to businesses. Success with consumers is part of that value proposition, and one of the things which gives it an advantage over Linux. RT is a long term strategy. It's not a table…

> Windows didn't come to dominate the desktop because consumers loved it. PC users did not hate it. Most DOS users were not ready to move to Macs and Windows provided an easy migration path, with 3.1 being, finally, good enough and able to run multiple DOS applications simultaneously.

And at the time (this is pre OS X) apples OS was not preemptive multitasking which is sort of required for a useful window based GUI

Re: Microsoft's ARM blunder: Why Windows RT was DOA

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If Microsoft was a B2C company, the article would be spot on. They are not, however, Apple. They are primarily B2B. Windows didn't come to dominate the desktop because consumers loved it. It dominates because it provides a value proposition to businesses. Success with consumers is part of that value proposition, and one of the things which gives it an advantage over Linux. RT is a long term strategy. It's not a table…

Xbox is "B2C", in a very big way. The impression I got was that it was intended for consumers. Why else would you only sell it in a Microsoft store? (I did see one in a Best Buy. It was buried in with the other tablets, while there was a shining white table with iPads a few feet away, with actual people around it fondling the merchandise). It's true that MS did give most of their full-time employees free Surfaces. I…

[By 'it' in the 2nd paragraph, I mean Surface, btw.]

Re: Microsoft's ARM blunder: Why Windows RT was DOA

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post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Xbox is "B2C", in a very big way. The impression I got was that it was intended for consumers. Why else would you only sell it in a Microsoft store? (I did see one in a Best Buy. It was buried in with the other tablets, while there was a shining white table with iPads a few feet away, with actual people around it fondling the merchandise). It's true that MS did give most of their full-time employees free Surfaces. I…

Microsoft have always eaten their own dogfood. That's where Server and Office and Project came from...and obviously, Visual Studio. Giving RT devices to employees continues this tradition. It's also evidence that this is an enterprise strategy, not B2C. I used Windows 2.0. I was using WordPerfect when the first versions of Word were being developed. Surface is an MVP. [edit] A Note about Xbox. The way Microsoft handl…

We'll have to disagree about your concept of what B2C means. MS did the right thing by its customers for RRoD; I wouldn't call that B2-anything.

My point was that the Xbox was /designed/ from the ground up -- from the choice of components to the way the OS is booted and managed -- to be a consumer product. The Surface, not so much. And it shows.

Edit: Let me be a little more concrete.

Xbox: No registry. Registries suck; they become corrupt, they're hard to manage, they accumulate bloat and mystery. If a consumer has to deal with a registry, it's epic fail time.

Surface: A couple weeks ago my wife was editing the registry on her Surface in attempt to recover it. OMFG.

Xbox: A pretty decent security story, with decent support in the OS.

Surface: That's cute, guys.

Xbox: Turn it off accidentally? Trip over the power cord? No problem.

Surface: What are these things you call . . . "transactions"?

The Xbox pricing also showed some backbone. I don't know what the Surface people were thinking.

Re: Microsoft's ARM blunder: Why Windows RT was DOA

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> At the end of 2013, they should be a even less relevant than today. At the moment, Microsoft own slightly less than 100% of the enterprise desktop market. At the end of 2013 they will almost certainly own slightly less than 100% of the enterprise desktop market. You live in a bubble.

Anecdote 1: I see iPads on trains to London as often as I see Thinkpads (and the odd Dell) now. That was not the case a few years ago. Trains to London arriving before 9am are pure business I can assure you (£130 return second class). A few Mac laptops in first class, solid Thinkpad/iPad and blue shirt territory in 2nd. Anecdote 2: The middle managers where I work all have iPads and shared access to desktop PCs. They…

What industry do you work in? I have not yet seen (in London) a single work-issued iPad. I've seen one or two people who have brought their own in to work, but they don't do anything more with it that check email and read a few word documents.

I've also never seen anyone on a train use an iPad for anything that looked like work. There are loads of them, but everyone is playing games, reading news etc.

My anecdotal experience is that BYOD iPads are talked about a lot, but it very rarely seems to actually happen - just a handful of upper management types, who usually struggle to open up a pdf on the thing.

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