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Fedora 18 "Spherical Cow" released

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Re: Fedora 18 "Spherical Cow" released

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Anyone want to create highlights for those of us with a short attention span?

The firewall daemon firewalld will be the default firewall solution for Fedora 18, replacing iptables. Using firewalld will allow for application of policy changes without reloading, allowing connection states to stay unbroken when rules are changed. UEFI Secure Boot will be supported in Fedora 18. This will allow Fedora to boot on systems that have Secure Boot enabled. Tools are available for administrators to creat…

> The X.org server has been rewritten to support 'hot' plugging and unplugging of GPUs. Specifically, this allows Fedora to provide better support for USB connected graphics devices exposed by many modern systems and laptop docking stations. The user is no longer required to restart the X.org server for such devices to be recognised.

Does anybody know if this means good things about the state of those nvidia/intel hybrid graphics setups?

Re: Fedora 18 "Spherical Cow" released

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If there were a rolling release Fedora, I'd be all over that as a drop-in alternative to Ubuntu for friends and family. * Systemd > Upstart in performance usability (for me, at least). * selinux > apparmor when properly integrated (personal preference, but it sees more active development and feature parity). * RPMs and debs are basically the same thing except not. I have to say adding repos in Ubuntu is much easier t…

> I have to say adding repos in Ubuntu is much easier than in Fedora. Hm, could you elaborate? Adding a repo is usually "wget .repo file into /etc/yum.repos.d/" which doesn't seem harder to me than editing sources.list (about the same, really). What's soured your experience?

I've even seen RPM's built that add repos for you. Pretty dead simple, particularly if your DE knows what to do with an RPM.

Re: Fedora 18 "Spherical Cow" released

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Gnome 3.6 is better in a lot of ways, but worse in about as many more. I do wish they'd stop removing features just to make the UI simple (not even necessarily better, or easier to use, just simple).

What are the particularly bad bits? Gnome 3.4 feels OK to me - it happens to be a good fit for the "large number of low-resolution monitors" setup I'm currently enduring, as each monitor can have a separate full-screen app, which seems to be how Gnome wants you to do things. That said, I'm going to be trying Cinnamon shortly.

Nautilus has had an overhaul, too many changes for me to list them all, but some of the more noticeable ones:

The separation of "Places" and "Bookmarks". It sounds reasonable, however you cannot modify what is in the Places menu, so even if the folder doesn't exist, you're stuck with it. I don't have a Videos folder, but I cannot remove it from the sidebar.

They've also removed the tree view from Nautilus, I used it all the time, but now it's gone. I need multiple windows to look at the contents of multiple folders at once.

I cannot make a new empty file directly inside Nautilus. I could understand if this had never existed , but not why they'd remove it now.

The App Menu, or whatever they're calling it, is confusing. Nautilus has a button on the toolbar which seems to cover half of the options, and uses the App Menu for the remaining options.

The Connect To Server dialog has been changed, for no reason as far as I can tell. It now only has a text box for entering the URI, no easy-to-use Protocol/Server/Port/Username/Password sections.

Typing to locate a file will no longer take you to that file, but instead start a search. I personally hate this, although I could understand why some may prefer this.

In terms of system configuration, they've stripped a bunch of options out, again.

I can no longer enable horizontal scrolling using my touchpad.

You can no longer select a background image which is outside of the root Pictures folder (Non-recursive). You cannot even specify a different folder.

You cannot specify the background scaling (Zoom seems to be the default, no tiling, or centering etc.)

Problems with are still around: The printer configuration is still a disaster - they seem unable to make it work correctly with networked printers. Space in the name? You're screwed.

Still cannot easily disconnect from a wireless network (although the option is there, it's not easy: All Settings -> Network -> Wireless -> click on little arrow next to network name -> Disconnect)

Having said all of that, it's still better than Unity (IMO).

Re: Fedora 18 "Spherical Cow" released

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Does 'spherical cow' make you think 'bloated bovine'?

Makes me think of hanging out in the highschool physics classroom after school, calculating what sort of spring you would need to fling a cow into orbit.

Nerdy, but Fedora has never really been into that whole "imaginary computer-illiterate grandmother" user-base anyway.

Re: Fedora 18 "Spherical Cow" released

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If there were a rolling release Fedora, I'd be all over that as a drop-in alternative to Ubuntu for friends and family. * Systemd > Upstart in performance usability (for me, at least). * selinux > apparmor when properly integrated (personal preference, but it sees more active development and feature parity). * RPMs and debs are basically the same thing except not. I have to say adding repos in Ubuntu is much easier t…

Have you looked at openSUSE, and specifically openSUSE Tumbleweed[1]?

* systemd

* apparmor[2]

* RPMs + One Click Install[3]

* YaST[4]

For what it's worth, I have been using Tumbleweed for quite a while now and the last two upgrades (11.4 > 12.1 > 12.2) have been unproblematic, the 12.1 > 12.2 one went without even a single conflict or problem.

[1]: http://en.opensuse.org/Tumbleweed -- Tumbleweed has been initiated Greg Kroah-Hartman (Greg KH) while working at SUSE and he continues as the maintainer, even after leaving SUSE for the Linux Foundation. Note that Tumbleweed is basically a rolling release but based on the current stable version, which means you update normally upon a new distro release and over time updated packages (Kernel/KDE/Gnome/XFCE etc. etc.) are being added as they are being submitted into Factory, the development branch.

[2]: Unfortunately, though SELinux is a work-in-progress right now: https://en.opensuse.org/SDB:SELinux

[3]: https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:One_Click_Install

[4]: Yast lets you use a GUI for a number of things like adding users, setting up servers, runlevels(!) etc. I see many people disliking it, but I am unsure why. It is nice to have sometimes, but at no point are you ever forced to use it, in fact, editing configs directly works just as well.

P.S.: You can of course also run openSUSE factory straight away, it often works, however, since that is where development happens, things might break. This is much the same as Fedora Rawhide, and it might (or might not happen) that someone on a given day breaks something essential (like say...systemd). So consider yourself warned! ;)

edit: formatting & added fluffing to Factory explanation!

Re: Fedora 18 "Spherical Cow" released

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If there were a rolling release Fedora, I'd be all over that as a drop-in alternative to Ubuntu for friends and family. * Systemd > Upstart in performance usability (for me, at least). * selinux > apparmor when properly integrated (personal preference, but it sees more active development and feature parity). * RPMs and debs are basically the same thing except not. I have to say adding repos in Ubuntu is much easier t…

There's Fedora Rawhide, akin to Debian Sid: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/Rawhide

Re: Fedora 18 "Spherical Cow" released

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Spherical Cow? Well that's a new one!

I heard it first originally as an engineering joke. And also horses instead of cows.

You know you're an engineer when: You'll assume a horse is spherical in order to make a math easier.

Funnier with horses. Horses are less spherical. They way they industrially force feed and force breed cows these days, spherical is actually not that ironic an approximation to make. More sad than funny.

Re: Fedora 18 "Spherical Cow" released

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    2.4.3. rngd
    Random number generation is improved by enabling rngd by default.
violent twitching

The /dev/random situation on Linux is beyond laughable, and everyone who thinks the "solution" for a kernel problem is MOAR USRLAND DEEMONZ!!!!@$^#$# should drown themselves in the nearest toilet immediately.

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