Lol this is going to go over well
A thread on HN about the CIA and feminism? I'm grabbing some popcorn, this is going to be entertaining.
post the psy-op cat meme plz
The Feminist Was a Spy
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#42This is the kind of bizarre article you see in an era where people reflexively support anything having to do with the federal bureaucracy. Even the 1960s CIA that was overthrowing democratically elected leaders in other countries is now “liberal, nonviolent and honorable.” Where did this come from? Politically homeless socially liberal Reagan republicans?
It reads like it was written by the CIA, mentioning only recent failures, not world changing operations back in Steniems day
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#43Hmm. Feminism as a CIA psyop. They’ve done more audacious things, I suppose.
Anything to distract from class politics. It seems to have worked.
(certain strains of feminism do acknowledge the relevance of class variables, but the mainstream ones avoid it like the plague)
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#44Hmm. Feminism as a CIA psyop. They’ve done more audacious things, I suppose.
Feminism has always been bundled up in the idea of American cultural superiority that justifies pursuing hegemony (although the term used is usually "women's rights").
Uh, what? Communists and especially Soviets were big on Feminism. American women were supposed to be perfect housewives.
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#45Earlier quoted context omitted.
Virtually every single feminist organization has spoken against Epstein, his best friend Trump, and the people around them. And in support of their victims. Where are you getting your information from?
there were some, but considering how monumental it was many people including me consider it a lackluster effort[1] [1] https://theprint.in/opinion/pov/silence-epstein-files-global...
It's almost like there's someone, who perhaps even got elected on the back of getting the files released and who exerts power over media outlets, that doesn't want this to be a big story.
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#46Earlier quoted context omitted.
Sure. I thought briefly about using the phrase "American Feminism". But, regardless, to be more nuanced: Feminism gets rhetorically roped into the case for Western cultural hegemony, which in turn gets used as a justification for US military adventurism.
Modern feminism is generally anti-colonialist and intersectional, which goes against that specific notion
Modern intersectionality isn’t the cultural relativism of 20th century liberalism. Intersectionality has a built in escape hatch for any aspect of foreign culture that conflicts with the foundational premises of post-religious children of mainline american protestants. Any such practice gets lifted to a “human right,” thus taking it out of the realm of cultural differences and allowing it to be imposed on foreign societies without accusations of cultural imperialism.
This avoids failure modes of 20th century cultural relativism, which treated everything as socially constructed and therefore within bounds as long as some society accepted the practice. It has a different flaw, however, in that there is no rational distinction between what’s a socially constructed aspect of culture and what’s a human right.
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#47Earlier quoted context omitted.
there were some, but considering how monumental it was many people including me consider it a lackluster effort[1] [1] https://theprint.in/opinion/pov/silence-epstein-files-global...
It's almost like there's someone, who perhaps even got elected on the back of getting the files released and who exerts power over media outlets, that doesn't want this to be a big story.
> that doesn't want this to be a big story
That's a bipartisan sentiment as far as politicians are concerned. They pass it around like a hot potato and give it brief lip service only when it suits them.
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#48Earlier quoted context omitted.
Feminism has always been bundled up in the idea of American cultural superiority that justifies pursuing hegemony (although the term used is usually "women's rights").
Uh, what? Communists and especially Soviets were big on Feminism. American women were supposed to be perfect housewives.
This particular rhetoric is usually applied to the Middle East.
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#49Earlier quoted context omitted.
Sure. I thought briefly about using the phrase "American Feminism". But, regardless, to be more nuanced: Feminism gets rhetorically roped into the case for Western cultural hegemony, which in turn gets used as a justification for US military adventurism.
Modern feminism is generally anti-colonialist and intersectional, which goes against that specific notion
Again, agreed.
I just don't think it's particularly shocking that the US government would try to co-opt some of its rhetoric as a justification for military adventurism. They already do w/r/t the Middle East.
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#50Earlier quoted context omitted.
Modern feminism is generally anti-colonialist and intersectional, which goes against that specific notion
Modern intersectionality isn’t the cultural relativism of 20th century liberalism. Intersectionality has a built in escape hatch for any aspect of foreign culture that conflicts with the foundational premises of post-religious children of mainline american protestants. Any such practice gets lifted to a “human right,” thus taking it out of the realm of cultural differences and allowing it to be imposed on foreign soc…
What are you talking about? In concrete terms, what do you mean?