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Re: How to disable or avoid intrusive AI

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Post by delecti »

semiquaver wrote: post #21
dinkleberg wrote: post #9

I recently discovered that you need to have Siri enabled for Apple CarPlay. I expect we're going to see a lot of this where when you disable the AI functionality the devs won't have put in fallback states and you'll be effectively locked out. With CarPlay for instance there is no reason that I shouldn't be able to listen to my music or use the map without Siri. But things like responding to texts does rely on Siri, s…

Apple considers siri essential for CarPlay and I don’t really disagree. Don’t forget that a big part of the design of CarPlay tries to explicitly discourage tactile use while driving, with siri as the alternative input/output method.

I start my music and navigation route before leaving my garage, and any other interactions (volume up/down, skip song) are buttons on my steering wheel. What do I need voice input for?

(I use Android Auto, but it's basically the same thing for these purposes)

Re: How to disable or avoid intrusive AI

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Post by mrtesthah »

john_strinlai wrote: post #35
dinkleberg wrote: post #9

I recently discovered that you need to have Siri enabled for Apple CarPlay. I expect we're going to see a lot of this where when you disable the AI functionality the devs won't have put in fallback states and you'll be effectively locked out. With CarPlay for instance there is no reason that I shouldn't be able to listen to my music or use the map without Siri. But things like responding to texts does rely on Siri, s…

i feel relatively comfortable with carply + basic siri, leaving apple intelligence off. basic siri is pretty limited in scope of what it has access to and what it can do. while it's an arbitrary line ive drawn, basic siri doesn't feel like "ai" in the same sense as context-aware assistants do for me.

I’ve never once been able to use CarPlay because I objected to Siri uploading information about my contacts list unencrypted to Apple’s servers.

Re: How to disable or avoid intrusive AI

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Post by JackFr »

dinkleberg wrote: post #9

I recently discovered that you need to have Siri enabled for Apple CarPlay. I expect we're going to see a lot of this where when you disable the AI functionality the devs won't have put in fallback states and you'll be effectively locked out. With CarPlay for instance there is no reason that I shouldn't be able to listen to my music or use the map without Siri. But things like responding to texts does rely on Siri, s…

I used CarPlay yesterday with Siri disabled. Am I missing something?

Re: How to disable or avoid intrusive AI

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Post by mrtesthah »

doug_durham wrote: post #38
rad-b wrote: post #2

Such a cool guide to such a bizarre problem we live in… Companies forcing features that nobody wants, but that are also expensive to operate and cost real money to run? Market can definitely stay irrational for long.

This whole "nobody wants" narrative is getting tiresome. It is provably false, and is just a rhetorical tool.

Prove that they do want them, then.

If I personally wanted to use generative AI, I’d query an agent app on my computer or load ChatGPT in a browser. I wouldn’t want my email client proactively spewing random words into the text area on its own. And I certainly don’t want every bit of information on my screen continuously streamed to a corporate cloud server so that I can ultimately be profiled and surveilled.

Re: How to disable or avoid intrusive AI

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Post by watwut »

stephantul wrote: post #39
happosai wrote: post #20

Unfortunately doesn't tell me how make Rovo go away.

My heart bleeds for Rovo’s product managers. They must also see that nobody actually wants or needs or even likes Rovo.

The cloud jira is such a downgrade overall. You cant have reasonable markdown or date format, but have AI "make longer" torture button. And deceiving "improve description" AI button which just ... makes it pointlessly longer.

Re: How to disable or avoid intrusive AI

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Post by JackSlateur »

nemomarx wrote: post #3

Anyone know a good way to disable the ai summary on Google results? I know I should move over to kagi, but a ublock filter or something would still be nice.

Switched to Qwant because of that .. (corporate laptop does not allow changing the search engine urls, only changing the engine itself)

Honestly ? Not a stressy move, the major things that changes is that the IA bullshit is gone

Re: How to disable or avoid intrusive AI

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Post by john_strinlai »

mrtesthah wrote: post #43
john_strinlai wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

i feel relatively comfortable with carply + basic siri, leaving apple intelligence off. basic siri is pretty limited in scope of what it has access to and what it can do. while it's an arbitrary line ive drawn, basic siri doesn't feel like "ai" in the same sense as context-aware assistants do for me.

I’ve never once been able to use CarPlay because I objected to Siri uploading information about my contacts list unencrypted to Apple’s servers.

it's a bit more nuanced than you are making it out to be, but that's absolutely a fine and understandable choice to make.

Re: How to disable or avoid intrusive AI

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Post by netsharc »

cryzinger wrote: post #29
semiquaver wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apple considers siri essential for CarPlay and I don’t really disagree. Don’t forget that a big part of the design of CarPlay tries to explicitly discourage tactile use while driving, with siri as the alternative input/output method.

Interestingly, I have Google Assistant more or less disabled on my Android phone, but it still works when I have Android Auto enabled (which is fine by me since that's the one time that I ever want to use it).

I got the email that they're burying Assistant in September...

I use it on the phone to set alarms, add tasks or calendar events, I swipe up on the home screen to launch the app, and talk. For calendar, speech ("add calendar event dentist appointment on September 22 at 4pm") is even much more convenient than scrolling to the right month/date, using the UI to pick the time.

I'm currently vibe-coding a replacement app to use on-device speech recognition and setting alarms or adding calendar events. Sadly third party apps can't add stuff to Google Tasks without further interaction (or without OAuth) like Assistant/Gemini can.

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