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AI is removing the middle class of software engineering?

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Re: AI is removing the middle class of software engineering?

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post #22

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Only if you run out of things to write. Is your back log ever empty?

In a few years, it just might. If maintenance and security is fully automated and for small changes or a small feature you will only dump some spec document into your agent platform, for sure.

> In a few years, it just might.

If you're in a product company and your development backlog is empty, run. That company is about to go out of business.

Re: AI is removing the middle class of software engineering?

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Between AI and competing against the world with H-1B, it's really never been harder to get an entry or mid-level software engineering job. Which means our pipeline to senior engineer is completely broken.

There are 100K H1-Bs a year and 4 million grads a year in the US. Anyone who thinks H1-Bs are actually contributing to their inability to find a job is a moron.

Re: AI is removing the middle class of software engineering?

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Between AI and competing against the world with H-1B, it's really never been harder to get an entry or mid-level software engineering job. Which means our pipeline to senior engineer is completely broken.

There are 100K H1-Bs a year and 4 million grads a year in the US. Anyone who thinks H1-Bs are actually contributing to their inability to find a job is a moron.

have you been inside a big tech company? there arent many american fresh grads working there, its mostly foreign

Re: AI is removing the middle class of software engineering?

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Between AI and competing against the world with H-1B, it's really never been harder to get an entry or mid-level software engineering job. Which means our pipeline to senior engineer is completely broken.

For some reason people never mention this, but aren't there also much more people graduating with CS degrees than ever before?

Re: AI is removing the middle class of software engineering?

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post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the field is basically over as a long term career unless you are truly exceptional. It will become very easy to build most software, and the upper end will be filled with the top people in the country/from abroad. Wages are certainly going down for most software roles

Only if you run out of things to write. Is your back log ever empty?

Maintenance will be forever. Tax laws change annually, so the payroll app will never stop being updated.

Re: AI is removing the middle class of software engineering?

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I don't know what kind of company has got a large codebase and it's taking 20,000 loc pr's expecting that shit to be sustainable, but I work AI first and at the most PR's are touching 12 to 15 files, with the more radical ones sitting at 30. They are still human-reviewable. They are still the kind of change you can revert back to original without breaking all the rest... there are ways of doing this stuff, dear luddi…

I was wondering how anyone could reach the token limit of a 200$/month Claude subscription. I never did on a 20$ one, and I'm parallelizing Claude to the absolute limit of what I can reasonably keep in mind. And I do that day and night, on week-end too with open-source. Now I'm absolutely convinced that it's by doing crap architectures and design that require 200k token of context before adding a single checkbox. If you apply good design principle and course correct the AI in real time before it commits to really stupid way to fix things (i.e. you don't ask it or let it do things that would make zero sense if you had to do it yourself), then the vibe coding cost way less and is way faster and easier to reason about.

Re: AI is removing the middle class of software engineering?

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post #32

I think it is less about junior/mid engineers, and more just about the kinds of work inexperienced/cheap developers are often doing: assembly line, JIRA-ticket-taker type development. This is especially impacting Indian tech workers in the US [0] since these are often the types of roles that InfoSys and other foreign tech consulting firms are staffing. The new $100,000 fee to sponsor an H1B visa has made it difficult…

What's with people using the number "0" for their first reference? I have only ever seen that practice here at Hacker News.

Re: AI is removing the middle class of software engineering?

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"There are also people who essentially make it harder for everyone else. And now anyone can produce more code in a day than they used to in a year."

That is the "democratization" that AI shills speak of:

https://xcancel.com/dhh/status/2087538364580835804#m

Once a CEO with a snowboard-optimized brain gave you a board seat, there is no way back.

Re: AI is removing the middle class of software engineering?

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post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Only if you run out of things to write. Is your back log ever empty?

No one said there won't be work to be done, just that fewer people will be doing it.

If the work to be done is infinite, why would there necessarily be fewer people doing it?
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