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It's time Amazon played by the same rules as everyone else [video]

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Re: It's time Amazon played by the same rules as everyone else [video]

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Post by DangitBobby »

chii wrote: post #32
EugeneG wrote: post #12

Honest question: what are the actual concrete issues where Amazon is shirking responsibility they would have otherwise had? Was there a specific court case where Amazon didn't pay what it would have otherwise? A workplace injury that would have been covered but otherwise wasn't? If these exist, are they systemic - i.e., does it happen more often here than it does with UPS or FedEx delivery workers? There are insinuat…

The people making propaganda (and yes, this is propaganda) knows that people are not rational but emotional. The video targets emotions - that amazon shirks responsibility is an emotional appeal. The hidden assumption is that there is some sort of responsibility that amazon ought to have, and that by shirking it, they're doing you harm. Instead of facts, they're listing things that give viewer a bad gut reaction like…

Yeah why don't we make sure we fix the whole world at once and if we can't give up completely? Ask yourself, if they aren't fixing your favorite problem, are they really fixing any problem at all? Bonus points if you can maintain a vaneer of rationality.

Re: It's time Amazon played by the same rules as everyone else [video]

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Post by FatherOfCurses »

EugeneG wrote: post #12

Honest question: what are the actual concrete issues where Amazon is shirking responsibility they would have otherwise had? Was there a specific court case where Amazon didn't pay what it would have otherwise? A workplace injury that would have been covered but otherwise wasn't? If these exist, are they systemic - i.e., does it happen more often here than it does with UPS or FedEx delivery workers? There are insinuat…

Are you saying that there is a lack of easily accessible information about how Amazon drivers are overworked compared to UPS/Fedex drivers?

Re: It's time Amazon played by the same rules as everyone else [video]

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Post by runako »

jvanderbot wrote: post #20
RGS1811 wrote: post #6

Democracy depends on public education about policy needs, not just electoral fundraising and stupid campaign ads. This video is a brilliant piece of political rhetoric, because it says “here’s an issue you should care about”, gets a little technical in ways normal people can understand, and then says “hey we want to do something to fix this, please join us in this effort”. It’s upbeat, it’s rational. It’s so good.

One issue that I have with many of these videos - what precisely is "this"? What issue is being addressed and what changes are proposed? It's entirely issue-adjacent slogans of "Amazon cheats, we will hurt them". And if I've learned anything from the most recent executive branch campaigns/elections, it's that vaguely defined "we'll get them" will get you elected but won't promise any meaningful changes other than pow…

The bill[1], which is named in the video, is available on the public Internet.

1 - https://legistar.council.nyc.gov/LegislationDetail.aspx?ID=7...

Re: It's time Amazon played by the same rules as everyone else [video]

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Post by runako »

EugeneG wrote: post #12

Honest question: what are the actual concrete issues where Amazon is shirking responsibility they would have otherwise had? Was there a specific court case where Amazon didn't pay what it would have otherwise? A workplace injury that would have been covered but otherwise wasn't? If these exist, are they systemic - i.e., does it happen more often here than it does with UPS or FedEx delivery workers? There are insinuat…

The bill[1], which is named in the video, is available on the public Internet.

1 - https://legistar.council.nyc.gov/LegislationDetail.aspx?ID=7...

Re: It's time Amazon played by the same rules as everyone else [video]

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Post by [deleted] »

gruez wrote: post #25
pandanube wrote: post #2

This guy cant stop winning, can we clone him and get one for each state?

Progressives love to point out how popular their candidates are but fail to realize they're in a filter bubble that doesn't reflect the wider electorate. They were jubilant when al-Sayed won, but betting market odds for democrats winning dropped as a result.

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Re: It's time Amazon played by the same rules as everyone else [video]

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Post by rauljara »

jvanderbot wrote: post #20
RGS1811 wrote: post #6

Democracy depends on public education about policy needs, not just electoral fundraising and stupid campaign ads. This video is a brilliant piece of political rhetoric, because it says “here’s an issue you should care about”, gets a little technical in ways normal people can understand, and then says “hey we want to do something to fix this, please join us in this effort”. It’s upbeat, it’s rational. It’s so good.

One issue that I have with many of these videos - what precisely is "this"? What issue is being addressed and what changes are proposed? It's entirely issue-adjacent slogans of "Amazon cheats, we will hurt them". And if I've learned anything from the most recent executive branch campaigns/elections, it's that vaguely defined "we'll get them" will get you elected but won't promise any meaningful changes other than pow…

I don’t think this video is about hurting anybody. It’s about making sure that large companies can be held liable if they hurt somebody. This is about protecting people.

Re: It's time Amazon played by the same rules as everyone else [video]

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Post by runako »

jtbayly wrote: post #9

But… what does it do?! I’m all about holding Amazon to the same standards, but what precisely does this accomplish? The subcontracting delivery companies already have to follow the same laws as every other company, don’t they?

The bill[1], which is named in the video, is available on the public Internet.

1 - https://legistar.council.nyc.gov/LegislationDetail.aspx?ID=7...

Re: It's time Amazon played by the same rules as everyone else [video]

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Post by gruez »

figmert wrote: post #13
RGS1811 wrote: post #6

Democracy depends on public education about policy needs, not just electoral fundraising and stupid campaign ads. This video is a brilliant piece of political rhetoric, because it says “here’s an issue you should care about”, gets a little technical in ways normal people can understand, and then says “hey we want to do something to fix this, please join us in this effort”. It’s upbeat, it’s rational. It’s so good.

I think if one thing Mamdani is great at, it's that he's a great marketer. His brand is just so much better than any candidate I've seen in the US. Heck even in the UK to be honest.

>I think if one thing Mamdani is great at, it's that he's a great marketer. His brand is just so much better than any candidate

You could say the same about Trump, and no, this is not supposed to be a compliment.

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