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Half of Europe's towns and villages have fewer residents than 60 years ago

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Re: Half of Europe's towns and villages have fewer residents than 60 years ago

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Post by Towaway69 »

jillesvangurp wrote: post #29

Some countries have really high housing prices and housing scarcity right on a border with another country where this isn't the case. You can get 30-40% differences just by moving a few km on the borders of the Netherlands. The reason this isn't that popular is that by moving like that you get to deal with different jurisdictions and tax systems. Particularly the social systems different countries have are very diffe…

> It enables working or relaxing while you commute

If everyone is on the road, be it "autonomous" or not, then the net result will be traffic jams. It sounds so idyllic if it's only me but it won't be.

Make public transport more attractive and it could be doable. After all, Europe has spent the last X years trying to get people to use bikes and public transport instead of clogging up roads.

> eliminating the cost of drivers and fossil fuels

By that time, we'll be on fission fuel ... it's just around the corner!

Re: Half of Europe's towns and villages have fewer residents than 60 years ago

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Post by simongray »

jillesvangurp wrote: post #29

Some countries have really high housing prices and housing scarcity right on a border with another country where this isn't the case. You can get 30-40% differences just by moving a few km on the borders of the Netherlands. The reason this isn't that popular is that by moving like that you get to deal with different jurisdictions and tax systems. Particularly the social systems different countries have are very diffe…

> A two hour commute is much less of a problem if you can be a bit productive.

A two hour commute sounds absolutely unbearable to my ears. I guess it makes sense if you are able work for 4 hours daily inside a train or something, but that's already half of the workday, i.e. you might as well just work from home.

Re: Half of Europe's towns and villages have fewer residents than 60 years ago

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gfrecvh wrote: post #26
roschdal wrote: post #11

Europe has been ruined, since USA interfered militarily in Europe. Since 1900, major U.S. military interventions in Europe have included full-scale combat operations during World War I (1917–1918) and World War II (1941–1945), as well as targeted Allied troop deployments in Archangel and Siberia during the Russian Civil War (1918–1920). Throughout the Cold War, U.S. forces executed non-combat and advisory operations,…

I would to like to know which of its interventions you're talking about. People don't normally complain about the help on WW2

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Re: Half of Europe's towns and villages have fewer residents than 60 years ago

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Post by matherial »

igor_nast wrote: post #27
gfrecvh wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Houses are expensive in places where everybody wants to be.

You didn't understand, I was referring to those "depopulated" places as well. So even thought a population of an area decreased prices don't show that.

That's not really true? Housing in depopulating / depopulated areas can be easily 5-10x cheaper than in premium metro regions.

In picturesque locations, there's upward price pressure because well-off urbanites sometimes buy vacation properties, but that's hardly a new thing.

Re: Half of Europe's towns and villages have fewer residents than 60 years ago

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Post by [deleted] »

gfrecvh wrote: post #26
roschdal wrote: post #11

Europe has been ruined, since USA interfered militarily in Europe. Since 1900, major U.S. military interventions in Europe have included full-scale combat operations during World War I (1917–1918) and World War II (1941–1945), as well as targeted Allied troop deployments in Archangel and Siberia during the Russian Civil War (1918–1920). Throughout the Cold War, U.S. forces executed non-combat and advisory operations,…

I would to like to know which of its interventions you're talking about. People don't normally complain about the help on WW2

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Re: Half of Europe's towns and villages have fewer residents than 60 years ago

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Post by retired »

gfrecvh wrote: post #33
jillesvangurp wrote: post #29

Some countries have really high housing prices and housing scarcity right on a border with another country where this isn't the case. You can get 30-40% differences just by moving a few km on the borders of the Netherlands. The reason this isn't that popular is that by moving like that you get to deal with different jurisdictions and tax systems. Particularly the social systems different countries have are very diffe…

> There's plenty of housing available if you can tolerate the inconvenience of a shitty commute. I would rather pay for the better location than pay for the larger house. The physical size of my home isn't a large factor in my quality of life. The length of my commute is. Now I was going to write "It's really weird to me this isn't a more mainstream view", but given the data we're looking at, seems this view is absol…

For most people the size of their home reflects the quality of life. Having separate bedrooms for all children, having a room dedicated to a home office, having an outdoor space to relax, having a dedicated EV charger, having a second bathroom to make the morning more streamlined. To a certain point a large house makes life better. So I understand having a 50 minute commute if that means everything in the house is a better experience.

Re: Half of Europe's towns and villages have fewer residents than 60 years ago

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Post by perpetuallunch »

roschdal wrote: post #11

Europe has been ruined, since USA interfered militarily in Europe. Since 1900, major U.S. military interventions in Europe have included full-scale combat operations during World War I (1917–1918) and World War II (1941–1945), as well as targeted Allied troop deployments in Archangel and Siberia during the Russian Civil War (1918–1920). Throughout the Cold War, U.S. forces executed non-combat and advisory operations,…

When did the USA interfere militarily in Europe?

Would Europe have been better off under Nazi Germany?

Is that what you’re saying?

Re: Half of Europe's towns and villages have fewer residents than 60 years ago

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Post by mjr00 »

simongray wrote: post #42
jillesvangurp wrote: post #29

Some countries have really high housing prices and housing scarcity right on a border with another country where this isn't the case. You can get 30-40% differences just by moving a few km on the borders of the Netherlands. The reason this isn't that popular is that by moving like that you get to deal with different jurisdictions and tax systems. Particularly the social systems different countries have are very diffe…

> A two hour commute is much less of a problem if you can be a bit productive. A two hour commute sounds absolutely unbearable to my ears. I guess it makes sense if you are able work for 4 hours daily inside a train or something, but that's already half of the workday, i.e. you might as well just work from home.

If you could reliably work from your autonomous vehicle for two hours you might be able to include that as part of your work day, e.g. 2 hours working on the ride in, 4 hours in the office, 2 hours on the ride home for the full 8 hours. If not, you could fall asleep in the backseat, watch some TV shows, or... you know. Just make sure your windows are tinted. In any case, I'd definitely take a 2 hour "do whatever in the backseat" commute over an hour-long "pay attention to the road at all times" commute.

This is all predicated on true autonomous vehicles though, not the half-baked non-solutions that exist today.

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