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Mark Zuckerberg attacks 'closed' AI rivals as Meta returns to open models

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Re: Mark Zuckerberg attacks 'closed' AI rivals as Meta returns to open models

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Post by limagnolia »

detourdog wrote: post #26
limagnolia wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Reading the facts of this incident, it seems like much to do about nothing. The crew are saying that the request came in on a frequency they weren't monitoring (and apparently were not required to monitor.) The Coast Guard determined it was not an emergency. The criticism lies with those who failed to properly fuel their boat, not the crew who didn't respond to a request that came over a frequency they were not on. T…

Where did you find these facts you read. In the USA a good Captain monitors VHF channel 16. This channel is used for establishing communication. To not monitor this channel is a dereliction of duty. I really doubt the USCG labeled a disabled vessel as a non-emergency. An immediate threat to life may not have existed but that is the difference between a pan pan and a mayday call. A disabled vessel close to land can ea…

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2026/aug/10/zuckerberg-y...

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/business/article316824631.h...

I haven't found any source that states what channel the request for assistance came in on. But multiple sources are reporting that the coast guard determined they were not in distress.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg attacks 'closed' AI rivals as Meta returns to open models

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Post by scotty79 »

moomin wrote: post #22

The truth is all frontier models are closed. This isn't even an open source vs open weights thing. Even if you accepted that open weights are "open" the capital requirements for running your own Kimi 3 model are significant. It's not like gcc, where the binary just works well enough on random hardware.

If all frontier models got opensourced 5 months after they were made available as closed it would be a great world. And it is a great world because that's exactly what open weight Chinese models are doing. They give you same capacity that was closed, just 5 months after they were released.

I'm hoping that all software will be getting opensource clones on par with original software 5 months after the closed source software release.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg attacks 'closed' AI rivals as Meta returns to open models

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Post by microtonal »

moomin wrote: post #22

The truth is all frontier models are closed. This isn't even an open source vs open weights thing. Even if you accepted that open weights are "open" the capital requirements for running your own Kimi 3 model are significant. It's not like gcc, where the binary just works well enough on random hardware.

Even if I cannot run open weight models on my own hardware, I can choose from a number of different inference providers and choose them based on pricing, reliability, speed, privacy policy, etc. There is a healthy competition.

Also, not a single provider can pull the rug if I'd like to use a particular model.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg attacks 'closed' AI rivals as Meta returns to open models

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Post by lenerdenator »

forestrywat wrote: post #5

Is this "I'm losing so I think we should change the rules"? Because it seems like that.

Yeah? Everyone everywhere does that all the time. That's the first rule of business: try to game the system.

And this time, it's actually somewhat understandable, as opposed to the other times Meta has done horrible things on Zuck's watch, like contributed to ethnic hatred in Myanmar, leaked data to political firms so that they can run psyops, or enabled the production of CSAM material on Meta's platforms.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg attacks 'closed' AI rivals as Meta returns to open models

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Post by scotty79 »

sodapopcan wrote: post #9
forestrywat wrote: post #5

Is this "I'm losing so I think we should change the rules"? Because it seems like that.

Similar to Altman saying "we should slow down."

OpenAI is not losing though. Fable is barely available and barely cooperates. Sonnet 5 is obnoxious model that's terrible to work with. GPT-5.6-sol competently gets stuff done. Just be careful not to ask it for impossible stuff because you might not like the lengths it's gonna go to get them done regardless.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg attacks 'closed' AI rivals as Meta returns to open models

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Post by sodapopcan »

scotty79 wrote: post #46
sodapopcan wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Similar to Altman saying "we should slow down."

OpenAI is not losing though. Fable is barely available and barely cooperates. Sonnet 5 is obnoxious model that's terrible to work with. GPT-5.6-sol competently gets stuff done. Just be careful not to ask it for impossible stuff because you might not like the lengths it's gonna go to get them done regardless.

Not to American companies, he said this after the recent Chinese release (I can't keep up with model names... Kimi K...3?)

Re: Mark Zuckerberg attacks 'closed' AI rivals as Meta returns to open models

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Post by limagnolia »

limagnolia wrote: post #41
detourdog wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Where did you find these facts you read. In the USA a good Captain monitors VHF channel 16. This channel is used for establishing communication. To not monitor this channel is a dereliction of duty. I really doubt the USCG labeled a disabled vessel as a non-emergency. An immediate threat to life may not have existed but that is the difference between a pan pan and a mayday call. A disabled vessel close to land can ea…

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2026/aug/10/zuckerberg-y... https://www.miamiherald.com/news/business/article316824631.h... I haven't found any source that states what channel the request for assistance came in on. But multiple sources are reporting that the coast guard determined they were not in distress.

Based on the wording of the response, and a review of the ship tracking data, it appears that Zuckerburgs yacht may have been actively communicating on a different channel, and once they switched back, the assistance from the cruise ship was already underway.

Again, more facts may be revealed, but as of right now, I don;'t see any reason to believe the crew did anything wrong.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg attacks 'closed' AI rivals as Meta returns to open models

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Post by franze »

i was wondering why meta has such a hard time with llm development

its the organisational goal of that endeavour

they are doing it in a phase of firing people

so the goal of llm at meta is "to make people redundant" and no matter of HR/PR speak can change it

antrophic and openai have the goal "lets create the future"

whomever they hire and no matter how much money they spend on it, the goal alone will create very different outcomes.

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