what does HN think are the better alternatives to cold contact? businesses obviously keep doing unsolicited telemarketing calls because it works to some extent
selling fentanyl works pretty well too from a business perspective
France is banning unsolicited telemarketing calls starting next week
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Re: France is banning unsolicited telemarketing calls starting next week
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It's the year 2026, I refuse to believe that phone companies cannot figure out who is a scammer and who is not.
Many scammers use internet telephony to call someone and some even spoof the caller id. In India, the mobile companies request subscribers to report any international call which shows local spoofed caller ids to them, so they can investigate it. So I am guessing it is trickier than we believe to track them ...
Can they at least flag calls as being from voip?
Re: France is banning unsolicited telemarketing calls starting next week
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>That provider is either only providing service to one country (very likely because this is separately regulated in every country), twilio can hardly be described as "providing service to one country", and has the same price list whether I'm using an American VPN or Dutch VPN: https://www.twilio.com/en-us/voice/pricing/fr
You see how it says "local"? That means a local call.
That doesn't make any sense when you look at the other options, one of which is "Mobile calls", but no "long distance" or "foreign" option. Moreover twilio operates over the internet. There's no concept of "local" on the internet. The concept of long distance only really exists for landlines and cell phones, but even in the latter case it gets blurred because of wifi calling. You could have a SIM for a US carrier but be using wifi calling from hong kong, and that would still be a "local" call.
Re: France is banning unsolicited telemarketing calls starting next week
#44There is a grey area here of calls from businesses which the customer is signed up to, or has had previous dealings with. Many will be unsolicited but not all will be. Many of these calls are coming out of the Third World countries which are barely regulated in this regard, so good luck with enforcing it.
Which is why nowadays I never take calls if the prefix is from a country I don't have connections with, it is private, or doesn't map to any of my contacts. If it is someone that I actually know, they will be aware how to actually reach me.
There was a time I had a scheduled job interview and got two spam calls from the same area code as the interviewer 2 minutes before. The third time, I hung up on the actual interviewer.
Re: France is banning unsolicited telemarketing calls starting next week
#45what does HN think are the better alternatives to cold contact? businesses obviously keep doing unsolicited telemarketing calls because it works to some extent
Most unsolicited telemarketing is inefficient--and that means a high cost of making the sale, which means whatever they are offering is either too expensive, too low quality, or an outright scam.
Re: France is banning unsolicited telemarketing calls starting next week
#46There is a grey area here of calls from businesses which the customer is signed up to, or has had previous dealings with. Many will be unsolicited but not all will be. Many of these calls are coming out of the Third World countries which are barely regulated in this regard, so good luck with enforcing it.
I'd like to see forced legislation requiring marketers to disclose the exact source and campaign they acquired your data in. I've been getting a barage of non-stop harassment via unwanted magazine subscriptions. People Inc claims some company called "Subco" signed me up and won't allow me to cancel, only "Subco" can do that. "Subco" then claims they got my information from someone else down the line. They then blame…
Yup. Someone clearly scraped my LinkedIn and sold the info as a bogus lead, I've been getting several texts/day about business financing, and the occasional call. Ironically, the calls were better--every caller understood they had bad data and never tried again.
Re: France is banning unsolicited telemarketing calls starting next week
#47Re: France is banning unsolicited telemarketing calls starting next week
#48There is a grey area here of calls from businesses which the customer is signed up to, or has had previous dealings with. Many will be unsolicited but not all will be. Many of these calls are coming out of the Third World countries which are barely regulated in this regard, so good luck with enforcing it.
In my experience most of these came from France itself or from Italy. Not exactly third world, eh?
Other person should've specified, the person calling is in a third-world country but they're dialing from inside via some voip service. So then what I don't get is, can't they go after the voip services?
Re: France is banning unsolicited telemarketing calls starting next week
#49Earlier quoted context omitted.
You see how it says "local"? That means a local call.
That doesn't make any sense when you look at the other options, one of which is "Mobile calls", but no "long distance" or "foreign" option. Moreover twilio operates over the internet. There's no concept of "local" on the internet. The concept of long distance only really exists for landlines and cell phones, but even in the latter case it gets blurred because of wifi calling. You could have a SIM for a US carrier but…
Exactly, no long distance or foreign option. So these must be local calls, meaning they are made from a French twilio number to a French number.
Re: France is banning unsolicited telemarketing calls starting next week
#50what does HN think are the better alternatives to cold contact? businesses obviously keep doing unsolicited telemarketing calls because it works to some extent
Wasting the telemarketers' time