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A Sick People

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Re: A Sick People

#41

> Every time I leave the US, I’m always struck by how happy other people seem to be. Every time I visit a place I get the impression that people are happier, but it's just an impression based on something you notice and experience for a very short amount of time. You'll see happy and desperate people anywhere, I don't think it has to do with the place. > Actually, I think I say that about everywhere I travel. That's…

Truly fascinating how when you're a tourist in a place that survives off of tourism, you get treated nicely.

Re: A Sick People

#42
post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why do we always need to be innovating? What's wrong with being content with what is?

Well, for one, the world changes around us in ways that necessitate innovation. But even if it didn't, if life can be better, why wouldn't you want that?

I never said it's wrong to want life to be better. Life is life. If someone finds enjoyment in a different way or pace of life, that's fine. The world's gonna do what the world's gonna do - some people want to be at the forefront, while others want to go with the flow or chill out.

That's okay. :)

Re: A Sick People

#43

> Every time I leave the US, I’m always struck by how happy other people seem to be. Every time I visit a place I get the impression that people are happier, but it's just an impression based on something you notice and experience for a very short amount of time. You'll see happy and desperate people anywhere, I don't think it has to do with the place. > Actually, I think I say that about everywhere I travel. That's…

Truly fascinating how when you're a tourist in a place that survives off of tourism, you get treated nicely.

Just one of those great mysteries of life.

Re: A Sick People

#44
> I think a part of it is the individualism we’re raised to embrace.

> We don’t care for our children, our elderly, or our communities. It’s all me me me. How do I get mine and fuck the other guy.

Capitalism, I'm looking at you.

Re: A Sick People

#45
post #2

It’s the capitalism, stupid. Here’s a little blog post I penned a while back on the topic: https://www.ianwelsh.net/capitalism-as-mental-illness/

Cue https://www.persuasion.community/p/ugh-capitalism in response

A far less compelling narrative is to handwave it away as "it's not really the system." The hyper-competition that capitalism breeds (for relatively little benefit) is the moral bane. More specifically, the recent history of touting capitalism while demonizing socialism has caused this shift, as opposed to the era of the New Deal, when social safety nets and public works were promoted as a net good. While there is a bill to pay for some programs (such as Social Security), the broader approach has largely been vindicated. Capitalism has produced severe wealth inequality, benefiting only a select few and breeding blatant corruption.

Re: A Sick People

#46

Maybe worth checking the data first... https://ourworldindata.org/happiness-and-life-satisfaction

Wow Argentina surprised me given all the hand wringing about inflation. It must just be a fact of life there you adjust to and get on with your life

Re: A Sick People

#47

> Every time I leave the US, I’m always struck by how happy other people seem to be. Every time I visit a place I get the impression that people are happier, but it's just an impression based on something you notice and experience for a very short amount of time. You'll see happy and desperate people anywhere, I don't think it has to do with the place. > Actually, I think I say that about everywhere I travel. That's…

I think the phenomenon you mention is definitely real, but equally it is true that there are simply places where there are higher proportions of happy to sad people, borne variously of climate, socioeconomic context, culture, social fabric, political histories etc. To avoid the truth that some environments yield happier people is to be needlessly defensive and disingenuous IMO. FWIW -- my bias -- I find America to be a sadder place to be, on various subjectives. It is individualistic just as the author alludes to; the normative fabric does not invite communal multi-generational wellbeing nor filial duties or general actionable concern for fellow person. Compared to my experiences in Bangkok, Beijing, Oslo, even London, there is simply a better structure for welfare communally without everything needing to be a capitalistic fever dream. That said, there is _absolutely_ stark contrasts between Austin, Boulder, SF, NY. The US is a gloriously massive place with such diversity, but its economic and political reality does its people and communities a disservice.

Re: A Sick People

#49
post #6

“ By and large, we’re fat, lazy, poorly educated, and blind to the state of things. It’s embarrassing.” 100% wrong. Didn’t even bother reading after that

OP's shining example of Mexico is essentially as obese[0], and far less educated[1] than Americans on average. It's embarrassing to be this blind to the state of things when you have the resources to check your opinions for accuracy.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_obesity_r... [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Education_Index

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