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The Psychedelic Toad of the Sonoran Desert

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Re: The Psychedelic Toad of the Sonoran Desert

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juleiie wrote: post #20
natpalmer1776 wrote: post #16

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YMMV by person, their neurochemistry, and their living environment. I need a stimulant for my specific biology to adapt to modern expectations.

You don't need anything. It is the bilion dollar industrial complex that sold you solution to the problem created by the very same system. Just take a pill. It's ingenious really. Create the problem, sell the solution. I am rich generally speaking and I have privilege to see everything from my high vantage point. From here I can easily see how life looks if you can afford to say: No thank you. I don't even understand…

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Re: The Psychedelic Toad of the Sonoran Desert

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Post by thin_carapace »

natpalmer1776 wrote: post #38
thin_carapace wrote: post #36

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rather than attributing this to the brain or system inherently, it seems more accurate to focus on the position of the brain relative to the system. I think that's what the other person was trying to get at, but you're already aware based on how you specifically qualified this. I don't think it's fair to bring up a topic and then shut down resulting discussion as non nuanced, public forums probably aren't a good idea…

Oh I’m fine with receiving conflicting takes. I wouldn’t post any of this on e.g. reddit because it offers no value to the users there. HN is a different crowd. I am “shutting down” comments here based on their perceived merit, not because they personally offend my sensibilities. I am comfortable holding people here to a higher standard of rigor, and accept when my own comments are responded to in kind, because that…

hard drugs wreck the body and cause dependency. amphetamine does both those things regardless as to whether an accredited body claims otherwise.

if you think it's ok to dose swathes of the population with hard drugs because it's 'good enough' then we completely disagree and I start to move more towards the other guy's viewpoint where it seems you are supporting the system over individuals.

it isn't easy for non amphetamine users to parse long extracts. maybe if I was also on speed I'd be interested in continuing, as is I will probably bid you farewell and wish all the best.

Re: The Psychedelic Toad of the Sonoran Desert

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Post by natpalmer1776 »

thin_carapace wrote: post #42
natpalmer1776 wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oh I’m fine with receiving conflicting takes. I wouldn’t post any of this on e.g. reddit because it offers no value to the users there. HN is a different crowd. I am “shutting down” comments here based on their perceived merit, not because they personally offend my sensibilities. I am comfortable holding people here to a higher standard of rigor, and accept when my own comments are responded to in kind, because that…

hard drugs wreck the body and cause dependency. amphetamine does both those things regardless as to whether an accredited body claims otherwise. if you think it's ok to dose swathes of the population with hard drugs because it's 'good enough' then we completely disagree and I start to move more towards the other guy's viewpoint where it seems you are supporting the system over individuals. it isn't easy for non amphe…

Lol, I’m not on amphetamines today this is pure and genuine ADHD “hyperfocus” and my co-occurring “autism special interest” it makes communication on technical subjects hard, causes a lot of mischaracterizations like the one you just did, but I accept who I am and am happy with it.

I don’t think it’s okay to dose a large swathe of the population with amphetamines because it’s “good enough” and neither does the global academic medical community.

Individual practitioners I’ve found to be overworked and disinterested to the point of negligence in the united states. The correct manner of prescribing amphetamines is finding the lowest therapeutic dose for a patient (assuming you have already found the right drug) and checking with them every 30 to 90 days to make adjustments as needed.

Amphetamines in excess do the things you described, though for dependency it is more behavioral than chemical dependence, unless you’re referring to meth (not the same thing), while properly prescribed stimulants in general offer more benefits than drawbacks. It’s not perfect, but for me and many others it is better than the alternative of nothing at all.

Have a great day, I hope you refrain from ill informed personal attacks going forward!

Re: The Psychedelic Toad of the Sonoran Desert

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Post by thatmf »

thin_carapace wrote: post #31
jdanford wrote: post #23

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Your comment isn’t useful to anyone but you

I also think that the system is cruel to convince its cogs that it is acceptable to experience stress to the point of requiring hard drugs, and I think the person you're responding to has provided a valid counter example of what life can be like without such stress.

> the person you're responding to has provided a valid counter example of what life can be like without such stress

Their counter example: "I am rich"

Re: The Psychedelic Toad of the Sonoran Desert

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Post by thin_carapace »

natpalmer1776 wrote: post #43
thin_carapace wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

hard drugs wreck the body and cause dependency. amphetamine does both those things regardless as to whether an accredited body claims otherwise. if you think it's ok to dose swathes of the population with hard drugs because it's 'good enough' then we completely disagree and I start to move more towards the other guy's viewpoint where it seems you are supporting the system over individuals. it isn't easy for non amphe…

Lol, I’m not on amphetamines today this is pure and genuine ADHD “hyperfocus” and my co-occurring “autism special interest” it makes communication on technical subjects hard, causes a lot of mischaracterizations like the one you just did, but I accept who I am and am happy with it. I don’t think it’s okay to dose a large swathe of the population with amphetamines because it’s “good enough” and neither does the global…

it may have had the same effect but me being too lazy to keep going is very much not an attack and I do genuinely wish you well

Re: The Psychedelic Toad of the Sonoran Desert

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Post by xoxxala »

mock-possum wrote: post #40
kcoul wrote: post #24

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this post just demonstrates the lack of sympathy/empathy so many rich people seem to have for others. There is a huge difference between taking pills designed to eternally treat symptoms and never the root cause, vs a plant medicine that might actually address the root cause of a problem. Bufo unfortunately has the added problem of coming from an animal rather than a plant, I agree with another post that suggests usi…

Wait wait wait.. Is fallout’s ‘Buffout’ this ‘bufo?’

No. We put a lot of references into Fallout, but that wasn’t one of them. (And we didn’t have any toads on the team, just a scorpion the artists used as a reference and no one was licking it.)

Re: The Psychedelic Toad of the Sonoran Desert

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Post by embedding-shape »

SpikedCola wrote: post #21

Hamilton's Pharmacopia covers this topic, including an interview with the supposed author, then later corrected, then the true author revealed. Definitely worth checking out.

I think this is the full episode, not sure what regions it's available but I could see it here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vAg5kAcw-TA

Re: The Psychedelic Toad of the Sonoran Desert

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Post by thin_carapace »

thatmf wrote: post #44
thin_carapace wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I also think that the system is cruel to convince its cogs that it is acceptable to experience stress to the point of requiring hard drugs, and I think the person you're responding to has provided a valid counter example of what life can be like without such stress.

> the person you're responding to has provided a valid counter example of what life can be like without such stress Their counter example: "I am rich"

which boy is going to spaz out more - the one in a shitty public school with no guidance, or the one provided with a diverse education and a litany of equally well educated role models? the one with a poor diet and no co curricular activity, or the one fed properly and provided with fertile ground for imagination? the lonely one forced to make friends with the wrong people, or the one whose parents' social circles provided networking opportunities from birth?

I think it's a great point to make, one that could help people to stop identifying so much with this condition. because that exact same person probably wouldn't be experiencing such a condition if the environment was different, therefore is it really their condition ?

Re: The Psychedelic Toad of the Sonoran Desert

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Post by temp0826 »

dylan604 wrote: post #35
pantalaimon wrote: post #33

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It's 5-MeO-DMT, better to synthesize it than to exploit the toads for it though. https://youtu.be/qipKKBmY_LQ

In the DMT world, carts are being sold known as Toad with the 5-MeO-DMT. Lots of very unhappy customers when they are not expecting it.

I seriously don't know who would be unhappy about it. Pure 5-meo is a more reliable experience and no endangered toads need to be harmed. I don't know that one would even be able to liquify straight bufo properly to put in a cart for one...also pure 5-meo is maybe 3-5x more potent per weight so that probably makes it all easier too. Anyone pulling the "butttt it's unnaturalllll" card on this one is a fool.
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