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Post by ratelimitsteve » Wed, Jul 29, 2026, 5:37 PM UTC

imglorp wrote: post #39

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unfortunately the dominant ideology right now states that the ability to do catastrophic harm to both yourself and society in general is fundamental to the nature of freedom, and is therefore paramount.

That's the argument we heard back then too. Smoker's rights to spray cancer to everyone around them. Drinker's rights to smash innocents on the roadways. In reality, the tobacco and alcohol industries lobbied hard to protect themselves. Alcohol is still lobbying hard to prevent recreational weed.

Post by AngryData » Wed, Jul 29, 2026, 5:45 PM UTC

buttercraft wrote: post #35

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Dose makes the poison and ecigs enable giving it's users 10x the nicotine you'd get from a single cigarette. I think you are right that cigs are less healthy, but I have to wonder if megadosing nicotine isn't also a pretty big problem.

That's true, ecigs introduce different types of risks: Wikipedia: "The recent rise in the use of electronic cigarettes, many forms of which are designed to be refilled with nicotine-containing "e-liquid" supplied in small plastic bottles, has renewed interest in nicotine overdoses, especially the possibility of young children ingesting the liquids." And not just ingesting, but absorbing it through the skin. Also: "Se…

Post by cogman10 » Wed, Jul 29, 2026, 5:57 PM UTC

AngryData wrote: post #43

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That's true, ecigs introduce different types of risks: Wikipedia: "The recent rise in the use of electronic cigarettes, many forms of which are designed to be refilled with nicotine-containing "e-liquid" supplied in small plastic bottles, has renewed interest in nicotine overdoses, especially the possibility of young children ingesting the liquids." And not just ingesting, but absorbing it through the skin. Also: "Se…

To me that seems to mostly have been an excuse to ban refillable vapes to juice vap manufacturers profits. Refilling your own costs 10-100x less than nonrefillables or cigarettes, disosables give massive profit margins. Kids can die from getting into all sorts of chemicals, nicotine isn't something especially poisonous or dangerous. They just need proper containers and handling like many other common chemicals and dr…

Post by cogman10 » Wed, Jul 29, 2026, 5:59 PM UTC

AngryData wrote: post #42

cogman10 wrote: post #33

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Dose makes the poison and ecigs enable giving it's users 10x the nicotine you'd get from a single cigarette. I think you are right that cigs are less healthy, but I have to wonder if megadosing nicotine isn't also a pretty big problem.

Consuming excess nicotine is a pretty horrible experience. You just feel super ill and nauseous. But you don't have to use an ecig to do it, just buy a stronger cigarette and smoke 2 or 3 quickly. Or you can eat part of a cigarette. Or just smoke a big cigar and inhale it like a cigarette. Anyone who smokes has experienced feeling sick from nicotine and quickly learn to avoid it because it sucks.

Post by amavect » Wed, Jul 29, 2026, 6:05 PM UTC

AngryData wrote: post #44

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I see replies that keep repeating the same "it's got no smoke and tar so it must cause far less harm", as if common sense always matches reality. Coating the lungs with cooked propylene glycol and glycerine could cause similar harm to smoke and tar, or even entirely new harms, but I don't really know that. Use empiricism and share reviews, please. Direct health implications of e-cigarette use: a systematic scoping re…

We do have many decades of inhaled medications that used pg and vg carrier vapors so its not like we have zero idea on their relative safety. It may cause some harm, but it is assuredly less harmful than smoking or else people using asthma inhalers would have shown significant problems from it.