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VMs can't boot with Network Mode set to Bridged on Apple M5 Pro machines

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Re: VMs can't boot with Network Mode set to Bridged on Apple M5 Pro machines

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Post by altairprime »

aurelian15 wrote: post #32
subarctic wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So, are they gonna add official support for this in the wifi standard someday? It sounds like the way that this works is a non-standard workaround

You might be looking for https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wireless_distribution_system This is a standard way to form bridges in WiFi networks and does not require any ARP proxying. In practise this requires certain OS/driver/firmware/chipset combinations to work though.

Buried in-thread, both macOS 26.6 and 27 beta have fixed the issue — has anyone studied whether they implemented this or resumed the old proxy arp method?

Re: VMs can't boot with Network Mode set to Bridged on Apple M5 Pro machines

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Post by NeckBeardPrince »

amelius wrote: post #40
NeckBeardPrince wrote: post #37

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What hardware do you think Apple uses to build their "professional" software on?

Not sure but for CAD they use Windows: https://www.reddit.com/r/engineering/comments/nd4ax1 > "Used to work as a mechanical design engineer at Apple. They use Siemens NX on Windows computers."

Yes, all Apple does is CAD work.

Re: VMs can't boot with Network Mode set to Bridged on Apple M5 Pro machines

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Post by eqvinox »

aurelian15 wrote: post #32
subarctic wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So, are they gonna add official support for this in the wifi standard someday? It sounds like the way that this works is a non-standard workaround

You might be looking for https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wireless_distribution_system This is a standard way to form bridges in WiFi networks and does not require any ARP proxying. In practise this requires certain OS/driver/firmware/chipset combinations to work though.

WDS is not something a client/STA can ask an AP for, it's a different mode of operation. What you need is 802.11ak GLK (General Link). Unfortunately, that one also isn't really negotiable and never gained much traction.

Re: VMs can't boot with Network Mode set to Bridged on Apple M5 Pro machines

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Post by kazinator »

ChrisMarshallNY wrote: post #35
somat wrote: post #15

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The Samuel Vimes Boot theory of economic unfairness comes to mind. Oh wow, it has it's own wikipedia page. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boots_theory

Too bad they don't give Nobels for literature posthumously. That single paragraph could win it. Well ... maybe I'm biased ...

I actually have a pair of John Fluevog boots, circa 1999 vintage, which are scuffed but wearable. The most I had to do is glue up some rubber separation in the heels with a bit of epoxy. I wore them as recently as last year; not lately though.

Re: VMs can't boot with Network Mode set to Bridged on Apple M5 Pro machines

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Post by naikrovek »

Aurornis wrote: post #6

Classic GitHub issue thread: Someone shows up and tries to explain it’s not a bug and never could have worked. Everyone else points out that it does work on other Mac hardware. Person doubles down and tries to claim that the bug was that it ever worked, and not working is the correct behavior. New Mac OS beta release fixes the bug and makes it work. Nothing related to the repo was changed.

Your assessment is inflammatory, to my eyes.

Everything that person said was factually correct. They weren’t wrong, they simply didn’t have the whole picture.

Re: VMs can't boot with Network Mode set to Bridged on Apple M5 Pro machines

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Post by skygazer »

naikrovek wrote: post #46
Aurornis wrote: post #6

Classic GitHub issue thread: Someone shows up and tries to explain it’s not a bug and never could have worked. Everyone else points out that it does work on other Mac hardware. Person doubles down and tries to claim that the bug was that it ever worked, and not working is the correct behavior. New Mac OS beta release fixes the bug and makes it work. Nothing related to the repo was changed.

Your assessment is inflammatory, to my eyes. Everything that person said was factually correct. They weren’t wrong , they simply didn’t have the whole picture.

But, they were wrong ... in assuming what they were saying was at all relevant. And they were so sure they knew what they were talking about and that it applied that they dismissed all the ample evidence to the contrary and also dismissed the, they assumed, delusional people pointing out the contradictions. Their initial misunderstanding was understandable given the overloaded terms but their confidence was poorly calibrated to their weakness detecting the misunderstanding.

Re: VMs can't boot with Network Mode set to Bridged on Apple M5 Pro machines

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Post by SlightlyLeftPad »

skygazer wrote: post #47
naikrovek wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your assessment is inflammatory, to my eyes. Everything that person said was factually correct. They weren’t wrong , they simply didn’t have the whole picture.

But, they were wrong ... in assuming what they were saying was at all relevant. And they were so sure they knew what they were talking about and that it applied that they dismissed all the ample evidence to the contrary and also dismissed the, they assumed, delusional people pointing out the contradictions. Their initial misunderstanding was understandable given the overloaded terms but their confidence was poorly ca…

I’ve seen younger engineers (still very senior and capable but with quick tempers) make this mistake time and time again.

The funny part, to me, is that it all could have been avoided by simply saying something to the effect of “the APIs they call in UTM are Apple’s and there are no hacks or workarounds they can do at the UTM level. Any differences between the hardware are just that.”

The actual thread was wildly inefficient but if it hadn’t gone that way no one would have learned anything, including us!

Re: VMs can't boot with Network Mode set to Bridged on Apple M5 Pro machines

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Post by SlightlyLeftPad »

iamtheworstdev wrote: post #33
kazinator wrote: post #5

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Shoes today are garbage that wears through within half a year; consumers are accepting it and coming back for more.

Buy better shoes. Quit buying Allbirds and Hey Dudes

Agree. I’ve heard great things about RUNLOWE and GOTOE. You can find them as the first 100 results on Amazon if you search for “Adidas running shoes.”
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