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Kimi-K3 Technical Report [pdf]

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Re: Kimi-K3 Technical Report [pdf]

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colesantiago wrote: post #22

This is amazing to witness. Moonshot open sourcing Kimi K3, a frontier AI and other components really means we are getting abundant AI for all of humanity. Kudos to Moonshot for truly being what OpenAI should have been. Fable-level and frontier AI should be open source and available to everyone for free.

> Kudos to Moonshot for truly being what OpenAI should have been.

Kudos to Moonshot for making these weights available for download. Lets not fool ourselves and claim these are "open source" by any understanding of the concept though, there are usage restrictions (even if you download them) and also training data isn't clearly broken down either, nor it it actually using a FOSS license.

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Post by jhonof »

embedding-shape wrote: post #36
fahrradflucht wrote: post #8

License: https://huggingface.co/moonshotai/Kimi-K3/blob/main/LICENSE > If the Licensee or any of its affiliates operates a Model as a Service business, and the aggregate revenue of the Licensee and its affiliates exceeds 20 million US dollars (or the equivalent in other currencies) in total over any consecutive 12 months, the Licensee must enter into a separate agreement with Moonshot AI before using the Software or…

Hah, so much for "open weights" :D Fair enough, they're at least downloadable, shame they didn't end up being actually open, nor open source, the community had really high hopes for this. But again, still available for download, so better than nothing else I suppose.

Open source projects frequently have separate commercial licenses no? This isn't abnormal.

Re: Kimi-K3 Technical Report [pdf]

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jhonof wrote: post #42
embedding-shape wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hah, so much for "open weights" :D Fair enough, they're at least downloadable, shame they didn't end up being actually open, nor open source, the community had really high hopes for this. But again, still available for download, so better than nothing else I suppose.

Open source projects frequently have separate commercial licenses no? This isn't abnormal.

No, I don't know a single project I'd call "open source" (as understood by the FOSS community) that restricts what you can do with it, that'd make it very much "not open source" as you're discriminating against specific persons/groups/fields of endeavor.

Re: Kimi-K3 Technical Report [pdf]

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Post by ike_a »

zozbot234 wrote: post #27
ike_a wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not sure I understand the case for open-source models being decelerationist, is this it? Decel: - Potentially reduces investor appetite for funding big labs. - More risk of powerful AI getting in bad hands -> more regulation. Accel: - More competition so big labs can't rest on laurels. - More research in open, so all labs can accrete advancements faster. I feel like open-source = acceleration has a much more clea…

Open source AI is actually a lot less "powerful" than genuine frontier models, i.e. it has a much tighter inherent capability ceiling. This is "decelerationist" from a purely AGI-pilled point of view but it's actually great if you're worried about a capabilities arms race putting AI Safety at severe risk. Kimi K3 is plausibly a lot less dangerous than a totally jailbroken ChatGPT/Gemini/Claude Sonnet (let alone Opus…

Do you think they are inherently less powerful? I'd imagined that closed labs have a head start / more funding so the open labs are playing catch-up.

Is there a world where open source models end up at the frontier, or do you think there are structural/first-principles reasons why this won't happen?

Re: Kimi-K3 Technical Report [pdf]

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Post by layer8 »

embedding-shape wrote: post #39
lenerdenator wrote: post #31

What would it take to get an American open model to compete with this?

Latest "big" release from any of the bigger American lab must have been GPT-OSS-120b I think? Released ~summer 2025, so pretty much one years ago. Doesn't seem like it'll happen by itself, so something either forcing their hand figuratively, or something forcing their hand literally. Personally I was wishing/hoping for one of the recent Gemma releases to be in the ~100B class at least, but sadly Google is keeping tha…

August 2025.

Re: Kimi-K3 Technical Report [pdf]

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Post by sosodev »

ike_a wrote: post #9
jvanderbot wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This comment would be much better without the second line

I'm not sure I understand the case for open-source models being decelerationist, is this it? Decel: - Potentially reduces investor appetite for funding big labs. - More risk of powerful AI getting in bad hands -> more regulation. Accel: - More competition so big labs can't rest on laurels. - More research in open, so all labs can accrete advancements faster. I feel like open-source = acceleration has a much more clea…

I think the argument is that decentralization leads to deceleration because it means less centralized funding and data. Those are the two primary ingredients for accel.

The problem with the decel/accel rhetoric is that it lacks nuance.

Re: Kimi-K3 Technical Report [pdf]

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Post by embedding-shape »

layer8 wrote: post #46
embedding-shape wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Latest "big" release from any of the bigger American lab must have been GPT-OSS-120b I think? Released ~summer 2025, so pretty much one years ago. Doesn't seem like it'll happen by itself, so something either forcing their hand figuratively, or something forcing their hand literally. Personally I was wishing/hoping for one of the recent Gemma releases to be in the ~100B class at least, but sadly Google is keeping tha…

August 2025.

Bah, of course, thanks :)

Re: Kimi-K3 Technical Report [pdf]

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Post by viccis »

jvanderbot wrote: post #6
m_ke wrote: post #5

Also open sourced a bunch of infra to go with it. Anyone who claims open source and open weights models are "decel" needs to get their head checked https://github.com/MoonshotAI/MoonEP https://github.com/kvcache-ai/AgentEnv https://github.com/MoonshotAI/FlashKDA

This comment would be much better without the second line

I know it's a hard ask on this site, but I need you to start parsing content and not tone. It was a helpful bit of context, even if it was a bit vitriolic.
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