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Airbus Takes Flight from AWS

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Re: Airbus Takes Flight from AWS

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Post by inigyou »

Zsfe510asG wrote: post #37

Is Airbus still using Google workspaces for mail? Nice vector for industrial espionage. Why did Airbus go to "the cloud" in the first place? It seems complete overkill for a company like that.

Everyone went to "the cloud" because they want to make their IT problems someone else's problem. It's no different from the previous era of MSPs, except that there are now only, like, five MSPs in the world.

Note: I mean the Google Docs and Microsoft 365 type of cloud not the AWS and Azure type of cloud

Re: Airbus Takes Flight from AWS

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Post by Havoc »

areoform wrote: post #8

A study in contrasts, I signed up my business with Hetzner. And the first thing I saw during onboarding was a demand to upload my ID to spend $5 to test their service (I was testing before we bought). I wrote to customer service and got, Dear Client, We received your email. Thanks for writing to us. You have probably realized that this is an automated message. We need some time to process each email that we receive,…

The German providers have always been more aggressive on KYC & simply saying no to potential clients in some cases.

Re: Airbus Takes Flight from AWS

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Post by inigyou »

throw1234567891 wrote: post #32
p-e-w wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just because a company wants to know who you are doesn’t mean they are entitled to a scan of a sensitive government document that can be used to commit identity theft. I’m amazed that it is even legal for businesses to ask for that at all, outside of a few exceptional cases of which “I want to rent a server” most certainly isn’t one.

They ask me for it when I need a sim card. What is the difference.

None, and I think it's actually the very same law, all internet connections must be KYCed.

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Post by ruuda »

ttoinou wrote: post #4

Do we have proven (or probable) case of USA industrial espionage ?

It doesn’t have to be espionage, it can be just operational risk. There is the case of Trump ordering sanctions against the International Criminal Court, and Microsoft blocking their accounts to comply (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_Order_14203). Or more recently, Trump deciding who gets access to Anthropic’s latest models. You can’t build a business on a vendor who may be forced to block you at any moment.

Re: Airbus Takes Flight from AWS

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Post by msdz »

p-e-w wrote: post #26
cryo32 wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I haven't found a competent supplier who doesn't want to know who you are. I entirely exclude Digital Ocean from competent suppliers.

Just because a company wants to know who you are doesn’t mean they are entitled to a scan of a sensitive government document that can be used to commit identity theft. I’m amazed that it is even legal for businesses to ask for that at all, outside of a few exceptional cases of which “I want to rent a server” most certainly isn’t one.

> I’m amazed that it is even legal for businesses to ask for that at all, outside of a few exceptional cases of which “I want to rent a server” most certainly isn’t one.

How about the case of “I want to rent a server to distribute illicit and or dangerous materials and then it’s your problem”?

Re: Airbus Takes Flight from AWS

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Post by inigyou »

I don't fully understand why companies use AWS. Is it a management driven or engineering driven decision? I assume management - in big companies some exec from Amazon comes to play golf, and in small companies the managers copy what the big companies are doing?

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Post by Havoc »

ttoinou wrote: post #4

Do we have proven (or probable) case of USA industrial espionage ?

You don’t need an espionage case to decide a provider is too much risk.

The political unreliability alone is enough. Just takes one orange guy waking up in a foul mood one day and doing something erratic. That increases risk for using anything American across the board even if the individual companies have done nothing wrong

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Post by Kbelicius »

mrngld wrote: post #33
amelius wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We have a proven case of USA pulling the plug. Not sure which is worse.

Do we? From a EU-hosted location? Becoming a sanctioned entity wouldn't count -- if Airbus somehow made the business decision to start selling drones directly to Uyghur slave labor camps in western China and got itself on a list of sanctioned companies even Scaleways couldn't help them. I think that's a thinly veiled excuse for a much more mundane reason this is happening; their government stakeholders asked them to…

> I think that's a thinly veiled excuse for a much more mundane reason this is happening; their government stakeholders asked them to find a way to retaliate as part of the arguments around trade going on, and Airbus figured this out as a lever they could pull without angering any airline customers.

Even more mundane reason would be the USA threatening war.

Re: Airbus Takes Flight from AWS

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Post by [deleted] »

Havoc wrote: post #42
areoform wrote: post #8

A study in contrasts, I signed up my business with Hetzner. And the first thing I saw during onboarding was a demand to upload my ID to spend $5 to test their service (I was testing before we bought). I wrote to customer service and got, Dear Client, We received your email. Thanks for writing to us. You have probably realized that this is an automated message. We need some time to process each email that we receive,…

The German providers have always been more aggressive on KYC & simply saying no to potential clients in some cases.

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