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Re: What else do people draw on gradient.horse?

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Post by mft_ »

spython wrote: post #35
mproud wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People draw horses because they want to draw horses. People draw dicks because they feel it’s funnier, it’s a form of rebellion, and/or it’s way easier than almost anything else. And because they can without repercussion.

I understand all that, but how would you explain that 8,6% of drawings from people coming from HN were dicks, while visitors from Tumblr would draw dicks only in 1,6% of the cases? My guess is that people from Tumblr already explored a lot of the transgressions, so it does not interest them much - just like "potty talk phase" stops being interesting after your reach a certain age.

Could we hypothesise a different gender ratio from Tumbler vs. HN?

Re: What else do people draw on gradient.horse?

#42

Post by gus_massa »

spython wrote: post #35
mproud wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People draw horses because they want to draw horses. People draw dicks because they feel it’s funnier, it’s a form of rebellion, and/or it’s way easier than almost anything else. And because they can without repercussion.

I understand all that, but how would you explain that 8,6% of drawings from people coming from HN were dicks, while visitors from Tumblr would draw dicks only in 1,6% of the cases? My guess is that people from Tumblr already explored a lot of the transgressions, so it does not interest them much - just like "potty talk phase" stops being interesting after your reach a certain age.

Let's call it unpaid software testing team :) People want to know how good is your filtering.

Anecdote time: Last year my wife asked ChatGPT to make a multiple choice test to learn some Biology topic. I arrived and she showed the test to me. The options were a, b, c or d. I wrote e to see what happens :) ChatGPT gave a good reply explaining that I made a mistake :(

Re: What else do people draw on gradient.horse?

#43

Post by spython »

gus_massa wrote: post #42
spython wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I understand all that, but how would you explain that 8,6% of drawings from people coming from HN were dicks, while visitors from Tumblr would draw dicks only in 1,6% of the cases? My guess is that people from Tumblr already explored a lot of the transgressions, so it does not interest them much - just like "potty talk phase" stops being interesting after your reach a certain age.

Let's call it unpaid software testing team :) People want to know how good is your filtering. Anecdote time: Last year my wife asked ChatGPT to make a multiple choice test to learn some Biology topic. I arrived and she showed the test to me. The options were a, b, c or d. I wrote e to see what happens :) ChatGPT gave a good reply explaining that I made a mistake :(

Indeed, I think this is how it starts. However the filtering system does not indicate to the user if their drawing was filtered - otherwise it would turn into a "trick the system" game - a whole different genre. So the visitor always gets the satisfaction of seeing their penis galloping on the horizon. Still, many if not most penis artists then continue to add more and more lewd drawings. So it's not just a test but some other behaviour. Coming from Hacker News, they might feel like a hacker, a rebel breaking the system. And that's fine - after all there are not many ways in a society where you can feel this way and not hurt anyone.

Re: What else do people draw on gradient.horse?

#44

Post by johng »

goodmythical wrote: post #38
pelagicAustral wrote: post #23

> the obvious desire for transgressive expression by drawing dicks and slurs this truly is fascinating, that the common denominator of any anonymous, open space for creative expression seems to always be large amounts of doodled dicks... Are there any studies on this?

The oldest example I know of is Hadrian's Wall from ~1700 years ago engraved with a larger than life example.

Amazing. Apparently they used to draw them for luck!

"In Roman Britain, the phallus (often called the fascinum) was a symbol of protection. It was believed to ward off the evil eye, bring luck and guard people, buildings and journeys from harm. On the empire’s northern frontier, it also made a diplomatic statement: Rome was here, with its symbols; and Rome was in control."

A quote from this article: https://www.zmescience.com/science/archaeology/phalluses-rom...

Re: What else do people draw on gradient.horse?

#45

Post by goodmythical »

mft_ wrote: post #41
spython wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I understand all that, but how would you explain that 8,6% of drawings from people coming from HN were dicks, while visitors from Tumblr would draw dicks only in 1,6% of the cases? My guess is that people from Tumblr already explored a lot of the transgressions, so it does not interest them much - just like "potty talk phase" stops being interesting after your reach a certain age.

Could we hypothesise a different gender ratio from Tumbler vs. HN?

Follow-up: Sexual activity predictability via analysis of preffered social media platforms.

Re: What else do people draw on gradient.horse?

#46

Post by goodmythical »

mihaic wrote: post #30
pelagicAustral wrote: post #23

> the obvious desire for transgressive expression by drawing dicks and slurs this truly is fascinating, that the common denominator of any anonymous, open space for creative expression seems to always be large amounts of doodled dicks... Are there any studies on this?

I have a feeling that being transgressive is universal, but the form of expression is cultural, with independent convergence to some common patterns. For instance, in Romania I've noticed that the slang term for penis is written far more frequently than a crude drawing of it. I've also seen probably more drawn breasts than dicks as well.

>I have a feeling that being transgressive is universal

It certainly must be, no? Why would we have to culturally encode taboos and legally enforce particular behavior if not for a persistant presence of transgressive behavior?

No one would have sat down to write: "Any person may possess any number of live frogs to use in frog-jumping contests, but if such a frog dies or is killed, it must be destroyed as soon as possible, and may not be eaten or otherwise used for any purpose." (CA Fish & Game Code § 6883) unless there were in fact people eating their war-frogs AND people who believed that said war-frogs deserved proper funeral rites.

Re: What else do people draw on gradient.horse?

#47

Post by goodmythical »

johng wrote: post #44
goodmythical wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The oldest example I know of is Hadrian's Wall from ~1700 years ago engraved with a larger than life example.

Amazing. Apparently they used to draw them for luck! "In Roman Britain, the phallus (often called the fascinum) was a symbol of protection. It was believed to ward off the evil eye, bring luck and guard people, buildings and journeys from harm. On the empire’s northern frontier, it also made a diplomatic statement: Rome was here, with its symbols; and Rome was in control." A quote from this article: https://www.zmesc…

>Amazing. Apparently they used to draw them for luck!

Damn, missed a shot on "Fascinating, apparently they used to..."

I had to look it up to be sure, but fascinating does indeed derive from fascinum.

1. Fascinum = protective phallic charm (object)

2. Fascinare = to exert the magical power of such a charm (action/spell)

3. Fascinate = to hold someone's attention irresistibly, as if casting a spell (metaphorical)

4. Fascinating = inherently gripping, captivating, exciting (modern adjective)

Meaning, kind of, that 'fascinating' means 'as captivating/hypnotic as a penis'

Re: What else do people draw on gradient.horse?

#48

Post by efilife »

spython wrote: post #43
gus_massa wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Let's call it unpaid software testing team :) People want to know how good is your filtering. Anecdote time: Last year my wife asked ChatGPT to make a multiple choice test to learn some Biology topic. I arrived and she showed the test to me. The options were a, b, c or d. I wrote e to see what happens :) ChatGPT gave a good reply explaining that I made a mistake :(

Indeed, I think this is how it starts. However the filtering system does not indicate to the user if their drawing was filtered - otherwise it would turn into a "trick the system" game - a whole different genre. So the visitor always gets the satisfaction of seeing their penis galloping on the horizon. Still, many if not most penis artists then continue to add more and more lewd drawings. So it's not just a test but…

https://rybakov.com/blog/how_do_people_draw_horses/

I see that you posted the same words on your blog but left out comparing HackerNews users to children aged 8 to 10. On purpose?

Re: What else do people draw on gradient.horse?

#49

Post by spython »

efilife wrote: post #48
spython wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Indeed, I think this is how it starts. However the filtering system does not indicate to the user if their drawing was filtered - otherwise it would turn into a "trick the system" game - a whole different genre. So the visitor always gets the satisfaction of seeing their penis galloping on the horizon. Still, many if not most penis artists then continue to add more and more lewd drawings. So it's not just a test but…

https://rybakov.com/blog/how_do_people_draw_horses/ I see that you posted the same words on your blog but left out comparing HackerNews users to children aged 8 to 10. On purpose?

It's the other way around - I integrated some things I wrote in the comments here into the blog post. I'm still writing the post though - it's not easy to hypothesize about people's intention without sounding like an ass.
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