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Re: Scanning for Pangram Errors

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In your scenario, False negatives = 50 False negative rate = FN / (TP + FN) = 50 / (50 + 50) = 50% Their actual FNR is much better than 50%, more like 1% at worst.

It's virtually impossible to have both a false positive and false negative rate of 1% for any predictive model. This is inherently a tradeoff. In addition to the terrific parent comment, you can trivially push false positive rate to 0% by never predicting a positive outcome or push false negative rate to 0% by always predicting a positive outcome. Finding the sweet spot somewhere in the middle is what we try to do, a…

See for yourself: https://www.pangram.com/research/model-card/pangram-3-3

They are advertising FPRI'm just as skeptical as you. They mention methodology but it's pretty light.

Re: Scanning for Pangram Errors

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Pangram is amazing. I hope they eventually provide something like a browser plugin that scans text for being AI generated as you read stuff. I’d pay good money for that.

we have this!! https://www.pangram.com/solutions/chrome-extension (disclaimer, i am a pangram research scientist)

Thank you!! I’ll try out a monthlong subscription.

My experience with Pangram so far in Substack is nothing short of phenomenal.

Re: Scanning for Pangram Errors

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I’m a teacher that requires students to write, so I’m always on the lookout for reliable AI detection. Haven’t anything close to reliable yet, but Pangram definitely seemed to be better than anything else in my (very limited) tests. That said, it did incorrectly flag something that I personally wrote as AI, which baffled me. I spent a while playing around with the text and feeding it back into Pangram, trying to figu…

The tools will never be perfectly reliable. It’s good that people like you are aware that it’s a statistical tool, not a perfect oracle. For student work I would think it’s reasonable to look for patterns across each student’s work. A single Pangram positive across 10 assignments shouldn’t be enough to bring suspicion upon a student, but when 8 out of 10 of someone’s assignments are coming up as AI it’s time to talk.…

> For student work I would think it’s reasonable to look for patterns across each student’s work. A single Pangram positive across 10 assignments shouldn’t be enough to bring suspicion upon a student, but when 8 out of 10 of someone’s assignments are coming up as AI it’s time to talk.

People mention Pangram has a low false positive rate, but usually such statistics are over a large population. They tell me that if I check many random works I should get a low number of false positives.

But in your example you aren't checking 10 random works from an assortment of authors. You are checking 10 works from one author.

The example from the teacher suggests that something as simple as a section with 3 bullet points can lead to flagging. When you are checking 10 works from one author all it might take for them to get most of them flagged even if they are 100% human written is for that author to have some style choice, like those 3 bullet point sections, that they just use in much of their writing.

This raises the question of what a teacher should do if they talk to the kid and the kid says it was all human written. Should they do what that teacher did when his own written was falsely flagged and start figuring out what tweaks would get it go pass?

That might help if by doing that you find out that all the 8 flagged items have one simple tweak that clears them up. Then I think you have to give the kid the benefit of the doubt and act is if their style just clashed with the detector.

But if different ones take different tweaks to fix that doesn't really say much, because it seems unlikely a detector would have just a single weakness (like the 3 bullet lists) that is good at false positives.

As I mentioned it is usually error rates on random populations that get quoted at least when I see articles about AI detectors. Have any of the leading checkers published research on the distribution of error rates when checkers are used on multiple works from a single individual?

Re: Scanning for Pangram Errors

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> Currently people care because so much of AI output is still poor quality. But given I personally know of someone with published AI-generated works where the reviews are gushing and positive across the board, I doubt people will care whether works are AI generated for very long vs whether the text is good. I think this has less to do with the quality of the text and more to do with whether people have standards or n…

I've seen the text, and it was genre typical. You get 80% of the way there just by giving them a writing sample and asking them to copy the style paragraph by paragraph. You get a lot further with some basic statistics to look for seriously out of distribution word use. The hard problem isn't prose, but consistency over a long text. I don't know how he's achieved that, but I've seen the reviews and none complained ab…

> it was genre typical

What genre, if you don't mind me asking?

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