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LM Studio Bionic: the AI agent for open models

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Re: LM Studio Bionic: the AI agent for open models

#41

I’m worried about the switch in business model here, which is part of the reason I just switched to LM Studio from Ollama. > use the largest frontier open source models through LM Studio Secure Cloud

Use Unsloth Studio, it's actually open source and I trust Unsloth via their quantized models a lot more than LM Studio.

Re: LM Studio Bionic: the AI agent for open models

#42

A friendly reminder that both LM Studio app and now this new LM Studio Bionic app are closed source. Since most people are unaware of this fact.

Unsloth Studio is open source, run by the same Unsloth that produces some of the best quants in the business, I'd advise people to switch.

Re: LM Studio Bionic: the AI agent for open models

#45

A friendly reminder that both LM Studio app and now this new LM Studio Bionic app are closed source. Since most people are unaware of this fact.

I am aware of it, and I dabble with Unsloth Studio and use the llama-server approach.

I would obviously prefer an open source, open weights stack.

But I guess a paradox is that as long as there are open source options I could use, a solid agentic environment that I can use with my own open weights is something I might pay for, in a similar sort of way to paying for a Mac when I could use only Linux.

If someone wanted to make their entire income from, say, making the BBEdit of LLM harnesses, that would be a viable strategy. Sooner or later people need to make an income somewhere. My own feeling is that Apple should acquire LM Studio, but if they said "this is $X per year" I might consider it, given the attention to detail.

Re: LM Studio Bionic: the AI agent for open models

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post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Built to work with lmstudio, one of the leading easy to use local model servers. LMStudio is the closest to plug-and-play without sacrificing play that I've seen; a harness that works well with it is nothing to sniff at. Its not earth shattering either.

Wouldn't most opensource harnesses work with lmstudio? I assume it has an "openai" style chat API like every other model provider? What's special about it vs langchain deep agents or pi or pydantic-ai?

Yes. I don’t see it either. It looks like a competent app (converging on the same principles as others) but what they are advertising as differentiators simply isn’t relevant to its purpose.

Re: LM Studio Bionic: the AI agent for open models

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post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Built to work with lmstudio, one of the leading easy to use local model servers. LMStudio is the closest to plug-and-play without sacrificing play that I've seen; a harness that works well with it is nothing to sniff at. Its not earth shattering either.

I guess it lives or dies by the harness quality then - on open models run locally by plug and players and models that fit onto peoples laptops - that is going to be quite the handicap to overcome. I run lmstudio personally with a range of harnesses (open and closed) and can't say there is that much of a leap to getting everything talking https://lmstudio.ai/docs/integrations

Maybe they optimized it really hard for small models. That would be impressive, but hardly a good selling argument. I want a harness that can do both and OpenCode looks just fine for that purpose (and it also has everything else I need).

To me this looks like another case of bundling things that shouldn’t be bundled (the harness with the UI) making both worse off because you can’t individually focus on each component. They’ve done this before, bundling a decent UI with decent inference for IMO no good reason, combining the downsides of each instead of letting people mix+match.

Re: LM Studio Bionic: the AI agent for open models

#48

I’m worried about the switch in business model here, which is part of the reason I just switched to LM Studio from Ollama. > use the largest frontier open source models through LM Studio Secure Cloud

Use Unsloth Studio, it's actually open source and I trust Unsloth via their quantized models a lot more than LM Studio.

Any VC-backed company will eventually pivot.

Re: LM Studio Bionic: the AI agent for open models

#49
post #14

This kind of thing just makes me think Apple will get to a point where they have good enough local models and good enough harnesses for doing things, and most normal people will just use them… Does the LLM become another interface to computing?

Neural machines were always going to be an alternative computing paradigm to von Neumann machines. Had it not been for Minsky we would arguably have gotten to a point where they're useful sooner. But why do you say that as if it's a small thing?

Re: LM Studio Bionic: the AI agent for open models

#50

It says no data retention or training on your data, but I assume that doesn't hold true for the frontier cloud models you connect to?

It does! We negotiated ZDR with our providers. We consider that a condition to make things available to our users: in this case cloud inference and web search/extract.

(I’m the founder of LM Studio)

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