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The Three-Second Theft: Why AI Voice Fraud Outruns Every Defence

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Re: The Three-Second Theft: Why AI Voice Fraud Outruns Every Defence

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Sounds like AI is just greasing the wheels of a long established 'grandparent scam'... goes something like this: 1) voice one: young adult calls, sobbing 2) grandparent inquires with a name... "Ben, is that you?" 3) voice one: "Yes grandma, it's me, Ben... I'm in trouble, please don't tell mom 4) voice two: "Hello, I'm attorney..." My grandmother fell victim to this almost 20 years ago, which only stopped when Wester…

I remember my JROTC instructor also running into that and how she said afterwards they have a secret phrase between them two as a way of verifying it's truly them.

Re: The Three-Second Theft: Why AI Voice Fraud Outruns Every Defence

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The problem described in the article is unsolvable, given that a mid-range desktop from a few years ago can easily clone a voice that's convincing enough and there are no guardrails to those. Some silly KYC laws might limit a highschool kid making deepfakes of his crush, but once a model exists it's trivial to spread it around, and for organized groups to get ahold of those. Similar will happen with images, it's just…

I don't know about that but finding excuses for the scum of this earth is certainly not a solution. Take Europe for example: nobody dies of hunger in Europe. And yet there are plenty of thieves. People stealing tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands, millions of EUR aren't doing it to "feed their families". Think of the situation today. Think of the victims today . Instead of thinking of tomorrow's hypothetical sit…

> scum of the earth

> fucking scums

> Zero tolerance for such motherfuckers

Who watches the watchers etc.

We will just end up with some jingoist dude that will go after us instead.

Slow reforms to regulate the banking industry with this "identity theft" nonsense...

Re: The Three-Second Theft: Why AI Voice Fraud Outruns Every Defence

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So, you answer your phone to the scam and… now they have your voice too. Talking on the phone is now an unmitigated liability.

The only solution? Answer the phone in an over the top comedy accent, such as Simpsons characters, or just whatever comes to mind.

I actually fucking do this, and have done for a year or two. Sad state of affairs.

Re: The Three-Second Theft: Why AI Voice Fraud Outruns Every Defence

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post #22

Sounds like AI is just greasing the wheels of a long established 'grandparent scam'... goes something like this: 1) voice one: young adult calls, sobbing 2) grandparent inquires with a name... "Ben, is that you?" 3) voice one: "Yes grandma, it's me, Ben... I'm in trouble, please don't tell mom 4) voice two: "Hello, I'm attorney..." My grandmother fell victim to this almost 20 years ago, which only stopped when Wester…

I told my parents that I will never ask for money, doesn't matter the situation, even with live video, it's trivial to generate live audio and video nowadays. I hope they got the message.

Fortunately for me, my parents wouldn't be able to get the live video working.

Re: The Three-Second Theft: Why AI Voice Fraud Outruns Every Defence

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post #40

What’s terrible is each time I am forced to call the bank, the more they try to tell me voice ID is secure and want me to provide my voice to authenticate. Never. Did ya’ll never play Uplink? With voice cloning as good as it is now, there’s no way a voice ID is secure enough for authentication.

Yeah my bank does the same except don’t think there is an opt out. Kinda crazy

Spam 0, you’ll eventually get some customer service agent

Re: The Three-Second Theft: Why AI Voice Fraud Outruns Every Defence

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

who is they?

The US government

We (the people) have pushed body cams on almost all law enforcement at this point, which had a noble enough motivation behind it -- but we also have pushed for and have various public disclosure laws (also well intended!) that mean those body cams are torrents of data entering the public sphere if anyone simply asks for it.

Now in the era of AI, this means anyone in the vicinity of an officer has a voice sample in the public domain, plus potentially their image.

Complex issue. I like body cams, I like freedom of information laws, but don't love this particular outcome.

Re: The Three-Second Theft: Why AI Voice Fraud Outruns Every Defence

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The US government

But which US governments? There are thousands of them, and they all have different policies.

Montgomery County in Indiana, specific enough for you?

Re: The Three-Second Theft: Why AI Voice Fraud Outruns Every Defence

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post #34

What’s terrible is each time I am forced to call the bank, the more they try to tell me voice ID is secure and want me to provide my voice to authenticate. Never. Did ya’ll never play Uplink? With voice cloning as good as it is now, there’s no way a voice ID is secure enough for authentication.

name and shame the bank

rofl, IYKYK

Re: The Three-Second Theft: Why AI Voice Fraud Outruns Every Defence

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So, you answer your phone to the scam and… now they have your voice too. Talking on the phone is now an unmitigated liability.

A few years back, I would talk with scammers for a while to waste their time. Now I don't.

LPT: Please have a codeword or phrase that you use with your loved ones so even if the scammers use your voice, they won't know the phrase.

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