I do not get the "against usefulness" portion. The article still discusses the projects she deems "useless" in relation to their future potential usefulness.
I read that as "ignore utility in the near future". Just play around with ideas & see where it leads you. Look out waaayy further on the horizon / out of the box.
Probably with the idea that if it's radical enough & you give it time, something might come out @ some point.
> ...two researchers who worked at Dynamicland, Bret Victor’s lab in Oakland. > Everyone is building the same thing, funded by the same people, using the same words. Where are the independent thinkers? > [JP] said a name: Folk Computer. In New York. Who are ... building the same thing as Bret. So where are these independent thinkers?
I’m right here Been building about 20 interconnected pieces of a new software stack designed to help humanity. Most VCs wouldn’t fund it. Most investors wouldn’t understand it. They prefer small apps. YC’s startups used to be called “feature, not a startup”. Now with AI it has become easier — the work I and my small team that I’ve been paying for 10 years has been greatly accelerated. But still. Most people on HN wil…
Maybe you missed my subtle point. If you’re still implementing Bret’s vision, that doesn’t seem like independent thinking to me.
I do think the particular vision has merit. But I have yet to see it demonstrated on real-world work. Even Bret’s own demos were limited and lackluster. Show me how to use this to manage some typical administrative tasks. Or create a database. Or routing on a map.
> ...two researchers who worked at Dynamicland, Bret Victor’s lab in Oakland. > Everyone is building the same thing, funded by the same people, using the same words. Where are the independent thinkers? > [JP] said a name: Folk Computer. In New York. Who are ... building the same thing as Bret. So where are these independent thinkers?
Dynamicland hasn't published any of their code, while folk computer priorizes being open source. So yes, a lot of the ideas come from Dynamicland, but there's the important detail that you can actually use folk computer.