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EU Council forces Chat Control via fast-track

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Re: EU Council forces Chat Control via fast-track

#41

Governments don’t work for people. Yet they use terms like democracy all the time. The repeated attempts at chat control are so blatantly anti civil rights but also disrespectful of democratic principles. Why do EU citizens tolerate this? Are they okay being made a fool of or is this just not an issue for them after all?

Well, we don't tolerate it, that's why it hasn't passed yet. They keep trying, though.

Re: EU Council forces Chat Control via fast-track

#42
post #27

The central bank, council, and commission have to get thoroughly investigated. The amount of questionable decisions coming from those three in the recent (15) years is extremely unsettling. The parliament and courts are practically the only institutions preventing things from hitting the fan at this point, and struggling to do so, it seems.

>The central bank, council, and commission have to get thoroughly investigated.

By WHO?! They are THE (unelected) ruling elite. Who's gonna prosecute them?

Re: EU Council forces Chat Control via fast-track

#43
post #27

The central bank, council, and commission have to get thoroughly investigated. The amount of questionable decisions coming from those three in the recent (15) years is extremely unsettling. The parliament and courts are practically the only institutions preventing things from hitting the fan at this point, and struggling to do so, it seems.

The government will investigate the government and find that the government did nothing wrong. A subsequent government review of the government's investigation of the government will find no wrongdoing on the part of the government. Ain't democracy grand?

Re: EU Council forces Chat Control via fast-track

#44
post #3

So what platforms will this apply too? What platforms Dow sit already apply too? All SMS, large email providers (Gmail?), WhatsApp, Apple services?

There have been a few incidents that make me think Snapchat private chats are monitored. The one with the guy joking to his friends about blowing up a plane or something is the first that comes to mind. Tell me how private messaging gets you taken off a plane otherwise. It’s not private. Big tech has put a camera and microphone in everyone’s pocket and they’re monitoring everything. The government and big (American)…

> How will anyone protest when mass surveillance becomes the law if it’s already in place and you can be labeled a bad actor that gets your life ruined if you dissent

With the pure awareness that Men do not act out of convenience, and that this whole situation of declining societies was born out of already-fascist-material that acted out of convenience, with complacency.

Re: EU Council forces Chat Control via fast-track

#46
post #41

Governments don’t work for people. Yet they use terms like democracy all the time. The repeated attempts at chat control are so blatantly anti civil rights but also disrespectful of democratic principles. Why do EU citizens tolerate this? Are they okay being made a fool of or is this just not an issue for them after all?

Well, we don't tolerate it, that's why it hasn't passed yet. They keep trying, though.

The power of the European Commission to propose legislation needs to be curbed or removed entirely. Executive agencies shouldn’t be writing legislation. It’s far to easy for them to propose laws that benefit the the European Commission, rather than benefiting Europeans.

Re: EU Council forces Chat Control via fast-track

#47
post #39
post #27

The central bank, council, and commission have to get thoroughly investigated. The amount of questionable decisions coming from those three in the recent (15) years is extremely unsettling. The parliament and courts are practically the only institutions preventing things from hitting the fan at this point, and struggling to do so, it seems.

I’m convinced of widespread corruption here. We need to follow the money. Who is funding and pushing this agenda to blanket spy on all Europeans? I guess my question is rhetorical.

>Who is funding and pushing this agenda to blanket spy on all Europeans?

Why are we ignoring the other side of the transaction? The side responsible for taking the money.

Giving bribes for lobbying is bad, but that would not be an issue if those found taking the bribes would be guillotined or hanged.

Re: EU Council forces Chat Control via fast-track

#48
post #27

The central bank, council, and commission have to get thoroughly investigated. The amount of questionable decisions coming from those three in the recent (15) years is extremely unsettling. The parliament and courts are practically the only institutions preventing things from hitting the fan at this point, and struggling to do so, it seems.

they dont investigate themselves, I hope you understand those details some day.

They do, albeit it's a slow process:

- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pfizergate

- https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/eu-secret-gr...

Ironically, those are two separate cases of one high-profile EU politician (in fact, the very head of the same parliament that pushes for mass scanning of private messages) BOTH involving secret text messages that the mentioned politician refuses to reveal.

Re: EU Council forces Chat Control via fast-track

#49
For context, this refers to "Chat Control 1.0", allowing facebook and other messaging providers to scan chats for harmful content (which they had been temporarily allowed to do by a recently expired law).

This is still problematic, but the far more dangerous Chat Control 2.0 that would weaken end-to-end-encrypted messengers like Signal is not being discussed here.

Not to diminish the gravity of the new development, but the defeatist "no way to prevent this" narratives that are already popping up here are getting old -- when in fact it looks like 2.0 is off the table for good because protest against it has proven effective.

Re: EU Council forces Chat Control via fast-track

#50

There is no way to stop these so just lets get going. The sooner we have age and ID verification on every single website and app the sooner we will have a working decentralised internet that avoids it.

It's a strong signal to start building such an Internet and slowly withdraw from using anything centralized.
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