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Knowledge Should Not Be Gated

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Re: Knowledge Should Not Be Gated

#41
Has anyone figured out why anyone would bother adopting the google 'open knowledge format'?

Normally I expect a set of tooling to be build on top of any open format. Value-adds and interoperability. Instead I just see a way to organize markdown files.

Re: Knowledge Should Not Be Gated

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem is that there is an enormous, nearly unignorable incentive to work around it. So they will. As the customer base becomes more and more corporate (which it will), they end up with disproportionately more customers whose experiences cannot be used to train the model to make it better for those customers. Either way, corporate customers cannot leach off the training from consumers handing over their personal…

Conspiracies are for the chronically online

It is rather vague whether you count Sam Altman et al. as "chronically online".

Re: Knowledge Should Not Be Gated

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

i believe that in the future technology will be so advanced that protection of privacy is impossible. the only way to counter that is education to respect peoples privacy and very harsh punishments for violations. i also believe that we will live in a post scarcity world, which means profit is no longer interesting, so any business case for invading your privacy will go away and therefore it will only happen for pers…

> i believe that in the future technology will be so advanced that protection of privacy is impossible. the only way to counter that is… i’m not sure why so many of us have fallen into this… “there is no other future” thing… there are other options. plenty of them. there is no singular solution. we could always just say “no”. and that’s that. that would be one option. why do we feel like there is no other way? why ar…

I suspect because some of these things would require us all to say no, which is difficult to coordinate and enforce.

It's not impossible, but it's not as easy as "just" saying no, as a society.

Re: Knowledge Should Not Be Gated

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post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Imagine someone comes to you and says: "You must remove your door locks. Anyone can come into your house any time. You also need cameras across most of your house. But in exchange, magic elves will do all of your home chores: washing, dishes, folding laundry, cleaning, minor home repairs. All of this will be done for pennies on the dollar compared to any current option." How many people would take it? I know I'd actu…

Sounds like a children story about not making a deal with the Devil? The implied part the children already know from other stories is: The magic elves have a recorded history of laughing at their customers when they are on the toilette, hitting on their husbands/wifes and misleading their children into worshipping the elvendom and wander off into the forest. The story ends in some sort of catharsis for the protagonis…

I don't disagree, but history shows that people (and businesses!) can and will make such trades. Look at the privacy nightmare, and it's not just individuals. Large companies put all their Crown Jewels into things like Google Drive, gmail, Dropbox, OneDrive, etc. Even governments do this. The only payoff is convenience. That's how little people and even businesses value their privacy.

Re: Knowledge Should Not Be Gated

#45
>Personal wikis always died for the same reason.

Mine (WikidPad) died when I switched to Linux, and learned that breaking changes to WxPython rendered it worthless, as none of the dialog boxes functioned after that point. Sure, the source from 2012 was available, but my Wiki really wasn't.

Eventually this forced me back to Windows... but it was too late, now I'm back on Windows, and still don't trust WikidPad.

>Keeping them current was tedious, and humans hate tedium. But the tedium is the one thing language models are immune to. They will happily re-link, re-summarize, and reconcile contradictions across a hundred files without complaining.

Yeah, and you're going to trust the LLM to reliably maintain this? Not a wise choice.

I really wish we had a reliable way to annotate and interlink documents using hypertext. Unfortunately, HTML doesn't actually let you mark up (annotate) hypertext.

We still, 81 years later, don't have a Memex! 8(

Re: Knowledge Should Not Be Gated

#46
I've been using org[0] for the past 10 years to store knowledge, project write-ups, notes, etc and love it. As I get deeper into AI I'm keeping that, like recently I created an org-edit tool to manage especially issues in the project write-ups. 1 file with all my several hundred projects accumulated over the years, and the value has only grown although it's becoming harder for me to personally consume; I'll likely just create a couple commands that improve the browsing experience. But I continue to love and prefer that single large file (actually several: personal knowledge, projects, business and an inbox) to many individual files. And it's synced across my devices, where esp on mobile I can access it all via Orgzly[1].

[0] https://orgmode.org/ [1] https://orgzlyrevived.com/

Re: Knowledge Should Not Be Gated

#47
If you're maintaining Markdown with a coding agent then you need linting tools to do things like checking for broken links. Without consistency checks, it will often make mistakes. The more internal consistency checks you can do, the better.

This is good practice anyway, and a coding agent can help write the tools.

Now that we have coding assistance, we can even be more ambitious. A common, language-independent test suite would be more useful than Markdown for generating an SDK and then verifying that it matches the spec. So I don't think plain Markdown is the best way.

Re: Knowledge Should Not Be Gated

#48
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It seems beyond naive, rather malicious, to upload any useful private data to SaaS LLMs. Like, you are letting them data mine your business. Why are corporations not panicing over this?

Imagine someone comes to you and says: "You must remove your door locks. Anyone can come into your house any time. You also need cameras across most of your house. But in exchange, magic elves will do all of your home chores: washing, dishes, folding laundry, cleaning, minor home repairs. All of this will be done for pennies on the dollar compared to any current option." How many people would take it? I know I'd actu…

I'm 100% taking it. I keep nothing with stealing in the house.

Re: Knowledge Should Not Be Gated

#49
post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sounds like a children story about not making a deal with the Devil? The implied part the children already know from other stories is: The magic elves have a recorded history of laughing at their customers when they are on the toilette, hitting on their husbands/wifes and misleading their children into worshipping the elvendom and wander off into the forest. The story ends in some sort of catharsis for the protagonis…

I don't disagree, but history shows that people (and businesses!) can and will make such trades. Look at the privacy nightmare, and it's not just individuals. Large companies put all their Crown Jewels into things like Google Drive, gmail, Dropbox, OneDrive, etc. Even governments do this. The only payoff is convenience. That's how little people and even businesses value their privacy.

> The only payoff is convenience. That's how little people and even businesses value their privacy.

Well that, and after 2+ decades of this, we can pretty much conclusively tell it worked out great for them. They were - and are - absolutely right to "make such trades".

Yes, data leaks sometimes happen. Sometimes they even make noise in the news. And... that's about the end of it. There are no tomb raiders stealing "crown jewels" and "secret sauces" and outcompeting companies on their own turf[0] - instead, there are many success stories of systems, products and businesses that wouldn't be created if not for the ability to outsource data and document processing to cloud services.

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[0] - Except the Chinese, but that's not really about stealing secrets or private data - just that owning the factories lets you iterate on hardware faster (+ it helps to have some healthy disregard for "intellectual property").

Re: Knowledge Should Not Be Gated

#50
post #31
post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

i believe that in the future technology will be so advanced that protection of privacy is impossible. the only way to counter that is education to respect peoples privacy and very harsh punishments for violations. i also believe that we will live in a post scarcity world, which means profit is no longer interesting, so any business case for invading your privacy will go away and therefore it will only happen for pers…

> i believe that in the future technology will be so advanced that protection of privacy is impossible. the only way to counter that is… i’m not sure why so many of us have fallen into this… “there is no other future” thing… there are other options. plenty of them. there is no singular solution. we could always just say “no”. and that’s that. that would be one option. why do we feel like there is no other way? why ar…

There is no saying "no" if you want to continue participating in modern society. But you can always try to find some place off the grid and live the rest of your days almost primitively.
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