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Your Kids' School Bus Is About to Become a Roaming Surveillance Vehicle

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Re: Your Kids' School Bus Is About to Become a Roaming Surveillance Vehicle

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Post by vel0city »

Bender wrote: post #33
nayuki wrote: post #5

Maybe design cities to be walkable and bikeable so that you have the option get things done without driving a car which is inherently trackable?

I don't know if that works in the EU but in the US most places are not a city and most places whilst technically walkable the kids will have to start walking at 4am and maybe they will get to school on time after walking along rural highways and on dirt roads. That would be incredibly dangerous, reckless and irresponsible. As for tracking, I want more of it by individuals just not centralized corporations. The porch…

> in the US most places are not a city

Most people in the US live in urban areas. Most US citizens live in cities. The urban population of the US is about 80% of the population.

I do agree most students in the US arrive by bus or car, but that's not because most US citizens live on farms off country highways.

Re: Your Kids' School Bus Is About to Become a Roaming Surveillance Vehicle

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Post by Bender »

vel0city wrote: post #41
Bender wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't know if that works in the EU but in the US most places are not a city and most places whilst technically walkable the kids will have to start walking at 4am and maybe they will get to school on time after walking along rural highways and on dirt roads. That would be incredibly dangerous, reckless and irresponsible. As for tracking, I want more of it by individuals just not centralized corporations. The porch…

> in the US most places are not a city Most people in the US live in urban areas. Most US citizens live in cities. The urban population of the US is about 80% of the population. I do agree most students in the US arrive by bus or car, but that's not because most US citizens live on farms off country highways.

That does not make what I said not relevant. People are spread out across the country and kids in rural areas are just as valuable as kids in cities. I would never trust anyone that says otherwise. Also most of the land is not walkable in any realistic sense. Busses and cars are not likely going away for the duration of this short civilization. We will hit the great filter long before better options may have arrived.

Re: Your Kids' School Bus Is About to Become a Roaming Surveillance Vehicle

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Post by goda90 »

arjie wrote: post #31

The existence of a license plate indicates that motor vehicle travel is not intended to be untrackable. That makes sense since these are powerful devices. It seems like a fair trade off since a motor vehicle provides many benefits but also high risk.

What does being a powerful device mean in regards to location tracking? Safe operation tracking makes sense, but location doesn't.

Re: Your Kids' School Bus Is About to Become a Roaming Surveillance Vehicle

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Post by vel0city »

NoSalt wrote: post #8
nayuki wrote: post #5

Maybe design cities to be walkable and bikeable so that you have the option get things done without driving a car which is inherently trackable?

I, for one, do not wish to smell my malodorous coworkers - who have walked or cycled to work and are all sweaty - all day. I already have one of them and it makes me want to vomit.

Yeah, we need to further normalize and require people never spending any time outside. I'm sure that'll go well for our society.

The world will be great once we wealthy people move to the giant dome cities where we can rid ourselves of the requirements of being outside from time to time.

Re: Your Kids' School Bus Is About to Become a Roaming Surveillance Vehicle

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Post by hombre_fatal »

SoftTalker wrote: post #38
hombre_fatal wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But those people don't even have the option, so what do you mean they prefer to not walk/bike? How pleasant walking/biking will be is linked to density, reduced distance to amenities, and infrastructure, things almost no US cities have. I live blocks from Costco in one of those cities but the option is either get on my bike and share the four-lane road with aggressive drivers in massive trucks/SUVs or use a tiny side…

What are you going to buy at Costco that you can carry home on a bike? In other words, if you want to bike to get your groceries, Costco is the wrong choice.

It's not relevant. If the word Costco is too distracting to interact with my point, then replace it with any place you might want to go in a day.

The lack of infrastructure is what makes the routine unpleasant, not failing to carry a small bag of bagels home. Not even the weather since riding a bike casually creates a breeze.

Re: Your Kids' School Bus Is About to Become a Roaming Surveillance Vehicle

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Post by vel0city »

cucumber3732842 wrote: post #17
dismalaf wrote: post #9

While I'm sympathetic to a lot of privacy concerns, how hard is it to simply not be an asshole and not pass school buses when they have their flashing lights out? Also, every car with a dashcam or built in cameras is basically already this. Where I live every intersection has cameras. Most of the buildings. It's not like this is anything new and honestly, probably a better use of cameras than most of the other applic…

a) it doesn't actually happen that often b) when it does it's usually some stupid situation where robotic adherence to the lights is in poor taste (like a bus picking up or discharging an entire team on a right side curb, or a divided median) albeit legally mandated. c) School bus drivers already radio in plate numbers of anyone who does it in poor taste and the buses mostly already have dashcams so this isn't really…

a) it happens all the time

Source: actual statistics instead of just second hand reports from a single bus driver.

https://www.ghsa.org/resource-hub/school-bus-safety-action-p...

Re: Your Kids' School Bus Is About to Become a Roaming Surveillance Vehicle

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Post by alistairSH »

dismalaf wrote: post #11
jo6gwb wrote: post #2

Look up the history of this company, bus patrol - they're felons and in prison.

Who'd have thought a bus company would run buses for the various applications that buses are used for.

TIL - the purpose of buses is mass surveillance. SMH.

Re: Your Kids' School Bus Is About to Become a Roaming Surveillance Vehicle

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Post by alistairSH »

jerf wrote: post #26
nayuki wrote: post #5

Maybe design cities to be walkable and bikeable so that you have the option get things done without driving a car which is inherently trackable?

That's not the problem. Wave a magic wand and have all cities walkable and bikeable and you'd still have school busses. I suppose we could wave more magic wands and say "ok, everybody with kids has to live in a city whether they like it or not" and wave some more magic wands and eliminate all concerns about crime or other dangers, but if we're going to wave this many magic wands maybe we should just wave one that mak…

Much of the world operates without dedicated school buses. Kids use public transit or walk or whatever, just like other residents.
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