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A Farmer Arrested for Going 5 Seconds over His Time Limit at Data Center Meeting

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Re: A Farmer Arrested for Going 5 Seconds over His Time Limit at Data Center Meeting

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post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Problem is that there's always some poorer community, or one with more corrupt government officials, willing to allow a buildout for next to nothing. And when they plug into the grid the next county or state over you're electric rates are going up anyway.

Okay, and? Just because they'll find some other place to put it with worse terms, doesn't mean you should let them have it in their preferred location with bad terms.

I don't disagree with you. I'm just pointing out that you can make all sorts of demands but you aren't in a very good position to negotiate, and you'll probably still have to pay higher rates even if you stonewall them. Basically, "I drink your milkshake." A lot of local govts would look at this and say "we might as well get some jobs out of this" and approve.

It's a good example of why we need some form of regulation to keep corrupt or incompetent local politicians from selling a community and potentially their neighbors down the river.

Re: A Farmer Arrested for Going 5 Seconds over His Time Limit at Data Center Meeting

#42

I don't have a problem with data centers and would welcome one nearby if it was a good deal for the area. But I'd want binding contractual agreements about environmental guarantees and requirements for building out new renewable energy generating capacity of 100% or even 150% of what the data center itself needs (and not just outbidding buyers of existing grid capacity). Instead we are handing out regulation waivers…

Problem is that there's always some poorer community, or one with more corrupt government officials, willing to allow a buildout for next to nothing. And when they plug into the grid the next county or state over you're electric rates are going up anyway.

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Re: A Farmer Arrested for Going 5 Seconds over His Time Limit at Data Center Meeting

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From the Claremore City Council minutes [0] it does show the person mentioned in the article was a speaker, among a group of some 20 other members of the community. They also include the incredible claim Claremore Data Center will house the backbone of the internet and supports all the functions that occur on the internet. The minutes mention that many of the council members were accused of not caring, but they do no…

> Claremore Data Center will house the backbone of the internet and supports all the functions that occur on the internet.

That's not incredible; many facilities do that. It doesn't say 'the entire backbone'; there are many pieces in many places, and if it does contain significant transit then it probably does support approximately "all the functions that occur on the internet."

If it's hosting systems building LLMs, than obviously the statement is false.

Re: A Farmer Arrested for Going 5 Seconds over His Time Limit at Data Center Meeting

#44
post #40

The article definitely misrepresents what's in the video. He wasn't arrested for speaking 5 seconds over. He was standing right in front of the councilors shuffling papers back and forth for nearly a minute while the crowd was screaming and clapping. Officers asked him to leave, then told him to leave multiple times he categorically refused, all while public order was progressively deteriorating.

Oh I guess that makes it okay to arrest a person exercising their human rights. Wouldn't want to upset the "public order" (whose order are we talking about here because the public seems to be on the person's side).

Does that somehow not make the headline misleading? Becase that's what that comment said, not that the arrest was ok and warranted.

Re: A Farmer Arrested for Going 5 Seconds over His Time Limit at Data Center Meeting

#45
post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can imagine a situation where this is true, like if it was used by some company to train an internal model or a model that never got released. But even assuming the data center was only used for AI model training, more or less everyone who uses any electronics now either uses generative AI directly themselves or uses services whose employees use generative AI at work to create those services. AI is extremely popula…

Per polls, ai is pretty hated. And the distaste is growing with growing use. A lot of ai usage is forced and unwanted. People dont perceive it as source of greatness, but as source of slop, cheap low quality and enshittification and crutially, existential threat.

Sure, people might not like AI by some narrow definition or choose not to use it themselves. But roughly every single service they consume or interact with is downstream of AI at some level now. The demand isn't just for chatbot usage and hasn't been for a long time.

Re: A Farmer Arrested for Going 5 Seconds over His Time Limit at Data Center Meeting

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From the Claremore City Council minutes [0] it does show the person mentioned in the article was a speaker, among a group of some 20 other members of the community. They also include the incredible claim Claremore Data Center will house the backbone of the internet and supports all the functions that occur on the internet. The minutes mention that many of the council members were accused of not caring, but they do no…

So if it’s not built the internet wont exist?

Re: A Farmer Arrested for Going 5 Seconds over His Time Limit at Data Center Meeting

#47
post #40

The article definitely misrepresents what's in the video. He wasn't arrested for speaking 5 seconds over. He was standing right in front of the councilors shuffling papers back and forth for nearly a minute while the crowd was screaming and clapping. Officers asked him to leave, then told him to leave multiple times he categorically refused, all while public order was progressively deteriorating.

Oh I guess that makes it okay to arrest a person exercising their human rights. Wouldn't want to upset the "public order" (whose order are we talking about here because the public seems to be on the person's side).

>Oh I guess that makes it okay to arrest a person exercising their human rights.

How do you think public hearings are supposed to work if you have hoards of hecklers exercising their "human rights" by disrupting the meeting?

Re: A Farmer Arrested for Going 5 Seconds over His Time Limit at Data Center Meeting

#48
we're at the point in "democracy" where laws are weaponized against protestors

actually I guess civil rights experienced that first a century ago

but now it's been perfected and anticipated by the establishment

I really hope November is a shocking wake-up call but not holding my breath

If dems do not also get the Senate it's just going to be all hot air

Re: A Farmer Arrested for Going 5 Seconds over His Time Limit at Data Center Meeting

#49

No actual human fucking wants data centers. Every day I wake up and it feels we're moving closer to torches, pitchforks and guillotines.

I kind of like having access to internet.

Which you have without this data center being built.

Re: A Farmer Arrested for Going 5 Seconds over His Time Limit at Data Center Meeting

#50

The article definitely misrepresents what's in the video. He wasn't arrested for speaking 5 seconds over. He was standing right in front of the councilors shuffling papers back and forth for nearly a minute while the crowd was screaming and clapping. Officers asked him to leave, then told him to leave multiple times he categorically refused, all while public order was progressively deteriorating.

Similarly my Sheriff said during COVID that he would not arrest people protesting once they enter a government building but would arrest anyone obstructing outside the Government building. This seems State specific. The man shouldn’t have been arrested.
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