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The National Parks Were Reportedly Told to Stay Silent on Deaths

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Re: The National Parks Were Reportedly Told to Stay Silent on Deaths

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Post by [deleted] »

krapp wrote: post #40
HoldOnAMinute wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Flooding the zone. They're getting you to waste your time and energy on this, so you don't see what they are really doing. This is not a situation where good actors have different ideas on how to best administer the country. These are criminals. They are committing crimes. You are the victim, not their peer.

What are they really doing that no one is seeing? They are criminals, and they are committing crimes, but everyone knows that. They don't seem to even be trying to hide any of their crimes.

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Re: The National Parks Were Reportedly Told to Stay Silent on Deaths

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Post by tastyface »

slg wrote: post #9

One thing that I can't get over about this administration is its cartoon villainy. There are all sorts of substantive and important issues in which people can have viable disagreements. Even when I disagree with people on those issues, I can usually at least understand their motivation. But this administration has so many policies like this which both seem completely unimportant to be worthy of focus and yet are also…

They see themselves as revolutionaries, genuinely. Plow over everything in the way of the goal & fuck the human cost. I shudder at the thought of having a beer with these people.

Re: The National Parks Were Reportedly Told to Stay Silent on Deaths

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Post by jandrewrogers »

collingreen wrote: post #20
jandrewrogers wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The number of deaths tell you relatively little about the risks because almost all of them are preventable. If you don't ignore the myriad highly visible warnings, the risks are below the noise floor. You take a bigger risk of death driving to the National Park. For example, dozens of people die every year due to heat stroke and dehydration in places like Death Valley, Joshua Tree, and White Sands. The National Park…

You keep using numbers to underpin your comments. The parent's point is that it's important to have access to numbers like this. From where I'm sitting it seems like you very much agree despite your comments sounding like disagreement or deflection.

The National Park Service post signs in specific areas that keep a running tally of how many people have died in that spot. I don’t have any objection to those signs, they are kind of interesting in a train wreck sort of way. Despite that, the numbers on those signs go up every year.

Knowing about a death in the last 24 hours doesn’t matter because it doesn’t materially impact the prevalence of the behavior that is the root cause of the deaths. At the same time, the government has an interest in not letting random employees with hot takes talk to the media with incomplete or erroneous information; this also is a liability. That is standard operating procedure almost everywhere, I just find it weird that we care here, particularly when it has zero relevance to safety.

No lives are being lost or saved by this policy. As an observation, I think few people would accept the kinds of policies that would be required to actually reduce deaths in National Parks.

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Post by amanaplanacanal »

randycupertino wrote: post #38
BLKNSLVR wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a classic trait of authoritarianism to not just censor what could be considered 'bad' news, but to actively limit the ability for potential sources of 'bad news' to be known / gathered in the first place. Refer: DOGE.

Good news only!! Why are these history museums just focusing on "how bad slavery was." https://www.cnn.com/2025/08/19/politics/trump-slavery-museum... > “The Smithsonian is OUT OF CONTROL, where everything discussed is how horrible our Country is, how bad Slavery was, and how unaccomplished the downtrodden have been — Nothing about Success, nothing about Brightness, nothing about the Future,” Trump wrote. He also ask…

I suspect Trump has no idea what's going on in this country, because none if his bootlickers will tell him any bad news at all. He keeps saying everything is great, because that is all he wants to hear.

Re: The National Parks Were Reportedly Told to Stay Silent on Deaths

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Post by et-al »

krapp wrote: post #40
HoldOnAMinute wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Flooding the zone. They're getting you to waste your time and energy on this, so you don't see what they are really doing. This is not a situation where good actors have different ideas on how to best administer the country. These are criminals. They are committing crimes. You are the victim, not their peer.

What are they really doing that no one is seeing? They are criminals, and they are committing crimes, but everyone knows that. They don't seem to even be trying to hide any of their crimes.

> They are criminals, and they are committing crimes, but everyone knows that.

77.2 million people in America don't seem to know, or don't seem to care.

Re: The National Parks Were Reportedly Told to Stay Silent on Deaths

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Post by sanktanglia »

jandrewrogers wrote: post #43
collingreen wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You keep using numbers to underpin your comments. The parent's point is that it's important to have access to numbers like this. From where I'm sitting it seems like you very much agree despite your comments sounding like disagreement or deflection.

The National Park Service post signs in specific areas that keep a running tally of how many people have died in that spot. I don’t have any objection to those signs, they are kind of interesting in a train wreck sort of way. Despite that, the numbers on those signs go up every year. Knowing about a death in the last 24 hours doesn’t matter because it doesn’t materially impact the prevalence of the behavior that is t…

Sometimes the wild animal that attacked a person is still in the area, but I agree with you in general the signs are not helping prevent deaths

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Post by LostMyLogin »

jasonfarnon wrote: post #29
galleywest200 wrote: post #3

> According to The Washington Post, the internal policy states “Interior shall not confirm a death,” and that this policy applies to “all Interior bureaus and offices” plus “all Interior communications involving fatalities, suspected fatalities, serious injuries or emotionally sensitive incidents.” So now I cannot learn about known bear attacks when I plan a backpacking trip?

Of course you can: https://www.nps.gov/aboutus/mortality-data.htm

This is incomplete and only shows incidents that were validated by the NPS and opted to be released to the public by the park service. The only way to get the true number of cases is through a FOIA request.

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Post by aaron695 »

slg wrote: post #9

One thing that I can't get over about this administration is its cartoon villainy. There are all sorts of substantive and important issues in which people can have viable disagreements. Even when I disagree with people on those issues, I can usually at least understand their motivation. But this administration has so many policies like this which both seem completely unimportant to be worthy of focus and yet are also…

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Post by leonidasrup »

KennyBlanken wrote: post #36
HoldOnAMinute wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Flooding the zone. They're getting you to waste your time and energy on this, so you don't see what they are really doing. This is not a situation where good actors have different ideas on how to best administer the country. These are criminals. They are committing crimes. You are the victim, not their peer.

Flooding the zone is definitely part of it, but the general goal seems to be to systematically destroy every strength the US has (had, in many cases.) Not only did the Iran War rapidly accelerate Chinese EV and solar panel sales - we're literally running out of bombs and missiles because so many were wasted on the first round of attacks in the middle east, then the "let's blow up fishing boats with million dollar mis…

This is just a side effect of US companies outsourcing manufacturing to China for quick profit and as result US becoming dependent on China (and US becoming service/finance economy with ever increasing debt). This process has been going on for decades.

Iran War is not first example of sucessfull defense of a small country (with foreign military aid) against US. See the Korea, Vietnam war.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_Union_in_the_Korean_War

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_participation_in...

Re: The National Parks Were Reportedly Told to Stay Silent on Deaths

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Post by warumdarum »

et-al wrote: post #45
krapp wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What are they really doing that no one is seeing? They are criminals, and they are committing crimes, but everyone knows that. They don't seem to even be trying to hide any of their crimes.

> They are criminals, and they are committing crimes, but everyone knows that. 77.2 million people in America don't seem to know, or don't seem to care.

Imagine how criminal neglectful and how intentionally harmful the alternative has to be to not be chosen. Something that just smeared surplus over all the problems and called that a solution, basically unfit for good times but completely useless in a multi crisis.
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