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If you jumped off the last topic immediately when it was trivially disproven why would I spend any time engaging with the next one you jump to?
Wow, 2 minutes and content already flagged and downvoted into oblivion. I guess we're STILL doing this years later - people still can't have a discussion about this. That's pretty unbelievable HN.
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Stuff like this shouldn't be downvoted simply because they disagree. See that on HN way too often.
It's incorrect though. It's not a matter of opinion that populations with higher vaccination rates saw fewer deaths and lower rates of hospitalization.
There are benefits and costs associated with fast tracking drugs to treat a pandemic. That should be the debates starting point.
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- Fauci led NIAID
- NIAID funded EcoHealth (an external non profit)
- EcoHealth sent some money to Wuhan labs
- Maybe Covid comes from a leak of Wuhan labs
You can decide for yourself if Fauci is just a boogeyman or has personal responsibility in this chain of “maybes”
By this logic Trump cause Covid because he was President at the time.
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The communication to the public wasn't honest enough. My parents are very much by the book. They follow instructions. They were very surprised to get Covid 3 times after following their vaccination and booster schedule. It wasn't made clear enough to the public that these shots were not sterilizing vaccines.
CDC Director Rochelle Walensky- March 2021 statement:
Walensky told MSNBC: "Our data from the CDC today suggests that vaccinated people do not carry the virus, don't get sick. And that it's not just in the clinical trials but it's also in real world data."
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> And they were rushed out This implies that corners were cut. They were not. They went through the full regulatory procedures. > many people still sit with the issues they caused Few medicines are entirely without side effects. The effects of the virus were in general far worse. Millions of lives were saved from the vaccines. > Not a win Apart from the millions of lives that were saved. > at the very least, they red…
The trials missed the fact that younger males under 40 have a material increased risk myocarditis from the vaccine. And when reports of that started coming out, the media and "medical establishment" fought against those reports and said the people who were saying this were "anti-vaxxers". But finally the CDC acknowledged this and added it to their communication without accountability or apologies. Their reaction was…
Symptoms similar but milder and less frequent is a general expectation of any vaccine, especially early forms of the vaccine. Early vaccines were deactivated or variant forms of the actual disease, and modern vaccines generally contain fragments of the actual disease.
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> They went through the full regulatory procedures. This is a non-argument if you decide to adjust regulatory procedures for that one case.
If you read the article, you'll see that they did in fact meet the full requirements by August 2021. The EAU plus criteria were met quickly, but they did meet every criteria normally used.
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> many people still sit with the issues they caused From the vaccines? Is there any clinical basis for this category of long-term vaccine harm?
You're aware that the J&J was pulled from the market due to cardiac issues, right? It's not a theory that actual people were actually harmed by the products, the only question is risk/reward.
Yes. I'm saying now that we've had time to examine those cases and look at the data, how many people are clinically agreed to have actually suffered long-term harms? (I don't believe the myocarditis was a long-term effect.)
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His claims are that because of this sequence of events “Fauci caused Covid” - Fauci led NIAID - NIAID funded EcoHealth (an external non profit) - EcoHealth sent some money to Wuhan labs - Maybe Covid comes from a leak of Wuhan labs You can decide for yourself if Fauci is just a boogeyman or has personal responsibility in this chain of “maybes” By this logic Trump cause Covid because he was President at the time.
a lab leak doesnt in and of itself prove that gain of function research isnt worth further pursuit, if better care can be taken. there is clearly risk/reward calculations, and not everyone will agree what risk in a pool of risks is worse.
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His claims are that because of this sequence of events “Fauci caused Covid” - Fauci led NIAID - NIAID funded EcoHealth (an external non profit) - EcoHealth sent some money to Wuhan labs - Maybe Covid comes from a leak of Wuhan labs You can decide for yourself if Fauci is just a boogeyman or has personal responsibility in this chain of “maybes” By this logic Trump cause Covid because he was President at the time.
I kind of wish there was a different flag-like option for cases like this. That would mean that it was more than down-voted, but not hidden.
I feel like it is very important that the disclosure of "bad" opinions should be allowed to be very openly tarred and feathered. BTW, some of those opinions could me mine, fair play.
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> And they were rushed out This implies that corners were cut. They were not. They went through the full regulatory procedures. > many people still sit with the issues they caused Few medicines are entirely without side effects. The effects of the virus were in general far worse. Millions of lives were saved from the vaccines. > Not a win Apart from the millions of lives that were saved. > at the very least, they red…
That's absolutely not true. The standard for new vaccines, iirc, required a period of something on the order of 7 years. Time, in this case, is not a function of procedure that can be expedited in an emergency, but is actually an important element in and of itself. Many issues do not manifest immediately and actually need follow up over time.
The crazy thing about these vaccines was that both mRNA vaccines and the viral vector vaccines were completely new platforms, never deployed at scale. They work entirely differently than all other vaccines. Up until this point, vaccines all delivered the antigen in one of 3 ways: you get a weakened virus, you get a dead virus, or you get the antigen itself (subunit protein like Novavax). Both the mRNA (Pfizer & Moderna) and the viral vector (J&J) vaccines worked by getting either mRNA or DNA (viral vector) into your cells, and then having your own cells produce and express the antigen themselves. Basically the difference between server generated code or shipping the JS for you to run the SPA on your own client.
One of the crazy things about this was that it wasn't obvious what the implications would be of having our own cells expressing the antigens (and thus flagging themselves for destruction by our immune system). This was particularly concerning because the cells that were shown to be doing this, despite the complete lie that kept being repeated of the vaccine staying localized at the injection site, were found all over the body. In the case of the viral vector vaccines, at least they were being delivered by a vessel (living adenovirus) that our bodies have had billions of years of evolution to determine where they might end up. In the case of the mRNA vaccines, though, the vessel was a lipid nanoparticle with an exceptional ability to deliver payloads basically anywhere in the body. Note: the attention these lipid nanoparticles had received prior to their use in mRNA was their ability to deliver payloads to places that are notoriously difficult to reach, notably their ability to cross the brain blood barrier. So you have delivery mechanisms delivering a payload that makes our cells into antigen factories, shown to be producing them all over the body, and targeting themselves for destruction by the immune system/causing an increased immune response in these areas.
And then, for the icing on the cake, there was mounting evidence that the antigen itself was actually likely destructive/problematic.
I could go off forever on this topic. The amount of obfuscation and gaslighting was insurmountable for anybody that was even remotely interested in figuring out what was happening. From a personal perspective, my trust in many institutions was permanently shaken.