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Re: Signs you're a dangerous terrorist: using Signal, moving zines

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Post by dascrazy_96 »

jeromie wrote: post #5

The ability of Texas to adhere so intensely to the idea of radical individualism while also being wholly committed to fascism at a policy level has always confused me. When I studied Texas history in University, the textbook opened with a sentence along the lines of "Texas Government has always been characterized by incompetence and nepotism", and through that lens, I filed many of the absurdities (e.g. Greg Abbott's…

It's not confusing. It's a state that pretends to adhere to an idea of radical individualism that is just a vehicle for fascism. The individualism practiced is just 'the right to abuse/oppress others without state interference, so long as 'others' means groups the state culturally doesn't like'.

It's really a failure of reconstruction that we ended up with the South remaining basically an anti-democratic apartheid state. Even though Jim Crow stopped being legal for a while, the political elites running the states didn't really change. Slavery was really America's original sin and its legacy still poison the american experiment; that southern planter mentality never left.

Re: Signs you're a dangerous terrorist: using Signal, moving zines

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Post by GaryBluto »

rekabis wrote: post #3

Anyone who values democracy is automatically an anti-fascist. Democracy is _inherently_ anti-fascist.

I'd argue that most, if not all clandestine cells that call themselves themselves "Antifa" are as anti-Fascist as the "National Socialist German Workers' Party" were socialist.

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Post by warumdarum »

hughw wrote: post #32

Nobody's talking about how "terrorism" has expanded to mean, in law, armed opposition the the government. Throw in terrorism and the sentence goes up dramatically. Is it possible to oppose the government with arms yet not be a terrorist? I'd say, yes. But I never expect to see a prosecution acknowledge that. They're even making drug smugglers into terrorists and murdering them extrajudicially.

Well, drug smuggling is a traditional part of inter empire warfare. Pump the population of the oppossing entity full with societal dissolvents then use the innet turmoil for an intervention

Re: Signs you're a dangerous terrorist: using Signal, moving zines

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Post by lux-lux-lux »

armchairhacker wrote: post #12
Arodex wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>if you joined a protest group where the organizer shoots a policeman and you’ve all got weapons at home and then you tell people to move the material you have at home that indicates you’re part of the group then I think the convictions are pretty accurate. Oh, tell that to the president of the United States and half of Congress and half of the Senate (and half of the country). Remind me what was their reaction and a…

The Jan 6 rioters were convicted and given similarly long sentences. Certainly Trump doing something doesn’t make it valid.

> similarly long sentences

Enrique Tarrio got 22 years for masterminding an attempt to violently overturn the results of a Presidential election.

Daniel Sanchez-Estrada got 30 years for moving some magazines.

The median Jan 6 sentence was 10 months. The shortest sentence for a protestor here was 30 years.

Re: Signs you're a dangerous terrorist: using Signal, moving zines

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Post by pluralmonad »

copper-float wrote: post #9
arjie wrote: post #7

The sentences are pretty crazy but what’s with the strange understatement. > One fired an AR-15 at the police, which goes beyond legitimate protest into inciting violence (and maybe even deliberate provocation) The accurate statement is that he shot and wounded a police officer who he intentionally targeted according to his own testimony (where he claims he did so because he thought the cop was going to shoot his guy…

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Since violence is never the answer, do you think any institutions or organizations whose primary arm is violence should be disbanded in favor of non-violent alternatives?

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Post by cindyllm »

pluralmonad wrote: post #45
copper-float wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Since violence is never the answer, do you think any institutions or organizations whose primary arm is violence should be disbanded in favor of non-violent alternatives?

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Re: Signs you're a dangerous terrorist: using Signal, moving zines

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Post by qwery »

8fingerlouie wrote: post #14

This is hardly a new approach or development. A decade ago, reading Linux Journal would get you flagged as being an extremist : https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/4rp5l6/nsa_classifie...

I don't think you've understood the story you're commenting on. These people weren't "flagged" as terrorists, they were convicted and sentenced (extremely) harshly.

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Post by adjejmxbdjdn »

8fingerlouie wrote: post #14

This is hardly a new approach or development. A decade ago, reading Linux Journal would get you flagged as being an extremist : https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/4rp5l6/nsa_classifie...

There’s literally no comparison between “flagging”, which has no legal requirement or no actual consequence without actual trial, and the results of an actual trial.

Re: Signs you're a dangerous terrorist: using Signal, moving zines

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Post by qwery »

bArray wrote: post #38

This article is quite dishonest. > Let’s be clear: a few of the protesters were out of bounds. "out of bounds" is a nice way of putting it. Terrorism is an accurate description. > But these sentences far outstrip anything that’s been given to anyone on the right wing: the leader of the Proud Boys, as this article notes, was sentenced to 22 years in prison. I think the difference here is the planned terrorist activity…

> "out of bounds" is a nice way of putting it.

This I agree with.

> it was knowingly concealing evidence

The article does not misrepresent this. The issue being raised is about how they were tried/convicted/sentenced. The part you quoted shows this.

> Terrorism is an accurate description.

> ... the difference here is the planned terrorist activity, ... If the Proud Boys were doing [the] same sort of thing ...

I'm genuinely interested in what "terrorism" means to you.

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