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GLM-5.2 is a step change for open agents

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Re: GLM-5.2 is a step change for open agents

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Post by ray_kay777 »

HDBaseT wrote: post #19
holoduke wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Here most of my colleagues have +200 dollar rates. It's really a no brainer. But sure, in south America or some Asian countries maybe it is. But still most devs need it anyway. Also in the poor regions.

$200/h is on the extreme end and I would argue most people here aren't anywhere close to that. The median hourly wage in the US is $28/h, this equates to nearly 7.5 hours. A full day of work a month for the average person to use Claude with reasonable limits. Yes, the people on $28/h may not be the software development types, so their income might not be as high, but these are the people who would probably be vibe co…

I suspect the reply above is referring to charge out rates rather than wages.

Re: GLM-5.2 is a step change for open agents

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Post by neosat »

I've been using GLM 5.2 recently (company hosted, for non-coding tasks) and it's been strong and reliable. There are areas where GPT 5.5 and Opus 4.x still feel marginally better but only marginally. For most tasks if GLM 5.2 is the only model I have to use I'm productive and happy. This was not true before GLM 5.2. No doubt in my mind that the gap is closing quickly and for most tasks that are not very specialized open models will be usably on par on flagship closed models and have an edge factoring in cost.

For coding I still use 5.5 w/ Codex and prefer that to other models + harness combinations.

Re: GLM-5.2 is a step change for open agents

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Post by throwaway-blaze »

jerojero wrote: post #3

Open weight models from Chinese labs tend to be significantly cheaper. I think theyre absolutely needed. I can't afford 200 USD a month for personal use of coding AI, and I don't think such prices are reasonable for most of the world economy anyway. Not to mention US firms might be giving their employees a lot more than that. It's increasingly feeling, to me, that theres a gap building up between haves and have nots.…

Just don't ask it to tell you the events of June 4, 1989.

Re: GLM-5.2 is a step change for open agents

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Post by briga »

Balinares wrote: post #2

I can't help wondering what kind of models we'll see coming out of China once it gets its own chip fabs up and running. Right now it sounds like the US's export ban is not slowing them down a whole lot.

With subsidization from the Chinese government they will probably be equal to or better than the models here. I mean, have you looked at the author list of any given AI paper published within, say, the past 5 years? I wouldn't be surprised if half or more AI researches are from China.

Re: GLM-5.2 is a step change for open agents

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Post by nwienert »

martinjc wrote: post #8
ttoinou wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

200 is much less than the value you’re supposed to get out of it. If it’s not then yeah go ahead and use cheaper models with worst quality

Are you aware of how much purchasing power 200 dollars is in china, brazil, thailand or india is? This is an extremely arrogant take.

I’ve hired many asian developers anywhere from 1-4k a month.

I get a lot more out of a 200/mo subscription now in a week than I did from them in a month.

Now obviously in today’s world they’d be using a 200/mo subscription themselves. But it’s not like money is nothing, software development doesn’t scale down below 1k/mo for anyone competent even in the poorest areas.

Re: GLM-5.2 is a step change for open agents

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Post by fraywing »

It feels like the gap is closing from an intelligence perspective. Or at least doing some kind of log flattening.

Been playing with GLM 5.2 in different contexts. It's less good if you don't max out thinking, but as xhigh it's been able to solve most problems I was throwing at Opus in the about the same amount of time (via OpenRouter).

Wild time to be alive.

Re: GLM-5.2 is a step change for open agents

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Post by christophilus »

I've been working with Deepseek V4 Flash (with opencode as the harness). It's been almost indistinguishable from Codex / Claude Code for me. I'm sure I'll run into problems when I get to a stickier ticket to tackle. But so far, it's been quite good, and I find it writes straightforward code.

I do think the Chinese models are good enough for an 80/20 rule use case.

Re: GLM-5.2 is a step change for open agents

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Post by azinman2 »

arikrahman wrote: post #40
jerojero wrote: post #3

Open weight models from Chinese labs tend to be significantly cheaper. I think theyre absolutely needed. I can't afford 200 USD a month for personal use of coding AI, and I don't think such prices are reasonable for most of the world economy anyway. Not to mention US firms might be giving their employees a lot more than that. It's increasingly feeling, to me, that theres a gap building up between haves and have nots.…

Someone else on this forum put it well, U.S. is trying to achieve AGI at all costs, while Chinese models are seeking widespread adoption.

I don't think anthropic/openai/google aren't also seeing widespread adoption. In fact they already have they already have the marketshare.

Re: GLM-5.2 is a step change for open agents

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Post by matheusmoreira »

jerojero wrote: post #3

Open weight models from Chinese labs tend to be significantly cheaper. I think theyre absolutely needed. I can't afford 200 USD a month for personal use of coding AI, and I don't think such prices are reasonable for most of the world economy anyway. Not to mention US firms might be giving their employees a lot more than that. It's increasingly feeling, to me, that theres a gap building up between haves and have nots.…

> It's increasingly feeling, to me, that theres a gap building up between haves and have nots.

People speak of a permanent underclass.

https://www.nytimes.com/2026/04/30/opinion/ai-labor-work-for...

Re: GLM-5.2 is a step change for open agents

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Post by guybedo »

GLM-5.2 has been a step change in how fast i can burn through tokens.

I subscribed to their max plan to try it out. It counted me 700M tokens and drained my weekly quota in under 2 days.

Quota just reset less than 24h ago and i'm already >60% weekly quota usage.

For reference the kind of work i did would have used somewhere between 3% and 5% of Codex max or Claude max.

The model is good, the plan is a scam

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