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Pondering routing more of my traffic via nodes outside the UK

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Re: Pondering routing more of my traffic via nodes outside the UK

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Post by bigiain »

cpressland wrote: post #12

I’m already using policy based routing on UniFi to send OSA censored websites, imgur for example, via Mullvad VPN - it works for the most part, but for any IPv6 websites it completely breaks as UniFi doesn’t support policy based routes for IPv6. If the government blocks Mullvad then I’ll just switch to Wireguard on a Helsinki based VPS via Hetzner.

Surely it won't be long before every hyper scalar and even medium sized hosting companies ip address ranges will end up in the block lists for every "questionable" website that is feeling the "chilling effects" from these UK laws?

I used to run my own mail server back until about 2014 or 2015, end even then it was practically impossible to reliably send mail to any of the major email providers from and ip address from Linda/AWS/Hetzner/DigitalOcean et al. I'm pretty sure porn sites and unmoderated web forum type thing that have lawyers advising them will soon be blocking not just UK ip addresses, but the bulk of the easy to identify VPN services and VPS providers.

Re: Pondering routing more of my traffic via nodes outside the UK

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Post by farnsworthfusor »

bigiain wrote: post #37
Retr0id wrote: post #23

I've set up a socks5 "proxy multiplexer" that routes requests to different upstream proxies based on the request hostname. For example reddit routes via a VPS in Dublin, and imgur routes via Tor. I believe socks5 is the ideal layer to do the multiplexing at, for web traffic, because the request hostnames are visible to the multiplexer even if ECH/ESNI is in use. It was a oneshot vibecoded solution but it's been prett…

Perhaps consider putting it in public domain instead of using an "open source" license? There's a decent legal ethical argument that LLM output isn't copyrightable, and for me a "one shot vibe code" definitely _isn't_ "your creative work", so the copyright that open source licenses rely on probably doesn't exist there. I wonder if a new category of "non copyrighted shared source code" needs to exist for people who us…

If LLM output isn't copyrightable then it's already public domain, even if you say it isn't - if this is true you can just ignore the wishes of the person who thinks they're the copyright holder.

Re: Pondering routing more of my traffic via nodes outside the UK

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Post by farnsworthfusor »

gizajob wrote: post #21
echelon_musk wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> consider the internet dead and move on. It's nothing like it was 20 years ago anyway. There are other things to do. Many books to read and places to go. We had something really cool and we were lucky to experience it while it lasted, but it's gone now. I'm pretty much at this stage too. The web/internet was a frontier like the Wild West. But those wild days are gone and are never coming back. Cyberspace has been se…

The web is only a minuscule part of cyberspace. Once millions of people have an AI supercomputer running a graphical node at home in 3-10 years time, then cyberspace will finally start IMO. The web will look like a catalogue file in comparison.

What will it do?

Re: Pondering routing more of my traffic via nodes outside the UK

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Post by farnsworthfusor »

mschuster91 wrote: post #28

> And so, for the first time, I am considering locating something (perhaps a WireGuard node, or a SOCKS proxy, or a recursive DNS server / DNS proxy, or perhaps all of them) somewhere on the Internet outside the UK, so that I can route some traffic through that, as needed, to maintain my access to the web. Good luck, it will probably impossible as admins fed up with AI scraper bots increasingly choose to outright bla…

What's dirty about it?

Re: Pondering routing more of my traffic via nodes outside the UK

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Post by bargainbin »

HDBaseT wrote: post #40
globular-toast wrote: post #2

I'm considering the same thing. I've done the "contact your MP" thing, but it's a waste of time. You just receive a pre-written letter from some minimum wage assistant (or maybe just a bot). It's either that or I just consider the internet dead and move on. It's nothing like it was 20 years ago anyway. There are other things to do. Many books to read and places to go. We had something really cool and we were lucky to…

>Many books to read and places to go You cannot travel into the US without providing access to your Social Media accounts. Pretty likely you get denied if you say "I don't have social media".

Incorrect, I don't have social media and tell them as such, it's never an issue.

Re: Pondering routing more of my traffic via nodes outside the UK

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Post by lmz »

Retr0id wrote: post #23

I've set up a socks5 "proxy multiplexer" that routes requests to different upstream proxies based on the request hostname. For example reddit routes via a VPS in Dublin, and imgur routes via Tor. I believe socks5 is the ideal layer to do the multiplexing at, for web traffic, because the request hostnames are visible to the multiplexer even if ECH/ESNI is in use. It was a oneshot vibecoded solution but it's been prett…

For browser traffic another alternative is proxy autoconfig scripts to put the proxy routing logic in JS.

Re: Pondering routing more of my traffic via nodes outside the UK

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Post by Retr0id »

bigiain wrote: post #37
Retr0id wrote: post #23

I've set up a socks5 "proxy multiplexer" that routes requests to different upstream proxies based on the request hostname. For example reddit routes via a VPS in Dublin, and imgur routes via Tor. I believe socks5 is the ideal layer to do the multiplexing at, for web traffic, because the request hostnames are visible to the multiplexer even if ECH/ESNI is in use. It was a oneshot vibecoded solution but it's been prett…

Perhaps consider putting it in public domain instead of using an "open source" license? There's a decent legal ethical argument that LLM output isn't copyrightable, and for me a "one shot vibe code" definitely _isn't_ "your creative work", so the copyright that open source licenses rely on probably doesn't exist there. I wonder if a new category of "non copyrighted shared source code" needs to exist for people who us…

I don't believe in copyright, personally.

Re: Pondering routing more of my traffic via nodes outside the UK

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Post by andai »

farnsworthfusor wrote: post #43
gizajob wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The web is only a minuscule part of cyberspace. Once millions of people have an AI supercomputer running a graphical node at home in 3-10 years time, then cyberspace will finally start IMO. The web will look like a catalogue file in comparison.

What will it do?

Full range. Full motion!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HkpcYv9Qm5w

Re: Pondering routing more of my traffic via nodes outside the UK

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Post by lokar »

bargainbin wrote: post #45
HDBaseT wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Many books to read and places to go You cannot travel into the US without providing access to your Social Media accounts. Pretty likely you get denied if you say "I don't have social media".

Incorrect, I don't have social media and tell them as such, it's never an issue.

Are they asking? I know they said they would, it I’ve not seen reports of it happening

Re: Pondering routing more of my traffic via nodes outside the UK

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Post by lokar »

nozzlegear wrote: post #33
cedws wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s hard to feel any enthusiasm for democracy watching things you disagree with being pushed through and having no power to stop it. I signed the petition to reverse the OSA and all we got was a canned response. I’ve come to the conclusion the only thing you can really do is leave when you disagree with the direction of your country, but of course not everyone has the ability to do that.

> It’s hard to feel any enthusiasm for democracy watching things you disagree with being pushed through and having no power to stop it. That often is democracy: what's popular isn't always what's best.

I find that many comments on this subject here don’t seem to consider that a majority (perhaps a large majority) of citizens in their nation support these policies
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